Johnstoun Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Is it not technically more than 3? You need to dilute the bottom two divisions of 14 back to three of 10 aswell. So youd technically be relegating well into double figures worth of teams, all to prevent 3 relegations this Summer. I was only commenting on the premier, the clusterfuck below that goes without saying! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Johnstoun said: So the solution to the unfairness of relegating one club this season is to relegate three clubs in 2 years time? I would not be in the slightest bit surprised if it was relegate 2 and promote none the season they go back to 12. At the very least they would can the play off. It has more holes than a Dominic Cummings story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, Aim Here said: So you seriously were hoping for some bizarro Schrodinger's Professional Football League where the league didn't get played for the purpose of league placements, but the league DID get played for the purpose of prize money? As well as making my mind recoil in horror at the sheer illogicality of it (what the hell do you think 'null and void' even means?), it's an absolute non-starter from the get-go, since it absolutely shits on pretty much every club below position 3 in the table, as they get a below-average prize pot without a competition placing to explain it. Isn't this what the growling at Dundee and ICT was all about? The Championship clubs balked in horror at the notion of losing out on prize money because of a competition that they were urged to vote never happened - and rightly told Inverness to git tae f**k if they wanted to get extra money for doing what was, legally speaking, nothing. Yup. They could choose to divvy up the money in any reasonable manner. Hope that doesn't cause yer heid to explode. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: 20 teams. Just under half of Scottish football relegated on one fell swoop. Would the leagues need those 20 relegated teams more than the Premiership needs Hearts, though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Let's hold the vote again then. I'm okay with that. And in fact (notwithstanding more recent issues - like viability of various clubs), it might be the court's verdict. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Yup. They could choose to divvy up the money in any reasonable manner. Hope that doesn't cause yer heid to explode. They really cant. It would require a vote to change the process of handing out prize money. You seem to have this bizarre idea that Neil Donaster/the SPFL board are in control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Pet Jeden said: I'm okay with that. And in fact (notwithstanding more recent issues - like viability of various clubs), it might be the court's verdict. Excellent. Enjoy the championship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Just now, RandomGuy. said: They really cant. It would require a vote to change the process of handing out prize money. You seem to have this bizarre idea that Neil Donaster/the SPFL board are in control. So what? They had to have a vote to shaft Hearts,Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/Brora -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: They really cant. It would require a vote to change the process of handing out prize money. You seem to have this bizarre idea that Neil Donaster/the SPFL board are in control. They're in control of what papers/info gets put the 42 clubs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Yup. They could choose to divvy up the money in any reasonable manner. Hope that doesn't cause yer heid to explode. It is physically possible that teams could do it, I agree. But why in the name of ungodly f**k would any sane club choose to throw away money without any justification? It only makes sense to pay Inverness more prize money than Alloa if Alloa did worse than Inverness in a competition. If you're voting for the competition to not ever have happened, why the f**k would the teams ostensibly placed lower, vote to give more prize-money to teams that did "better" in this competition that didn't happen. Because of the prize money structure, significantly more than half the clubs would lose out. It simultaneously makes no fucking sense logically, makes no fucking sense competitionwise and, for the bulk of teams, makes no fucking sense in terms of basic pecuniary self-interest. And Hearts fans seriously, with a straight face, are disgruntled that almost nobody in Scottish Football would have voted for this nonsense and are concocting mad conspiracy theories about Neil Doncaster and Celtic to explain it? Indeed - my head is about to explode at the asinine, illogical, pants-on-head idiocy on display. Edited May 27, 2020 by Aim Here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Excellent. Enjoy the championship. Thanks. I'll try - always assuming I live to see 2021 or 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 So what? They had to have a vote to shaft Hearts,Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/BroraAnd the alternative was to shaft Celtic, Dundee Utd, Raith Rovers, and Cove Rangers. So it was a choice between the sides who've been good in their leagues, or the sides who've been shite in their leagues to be shafted... Its quite the quandary. Difficult to comprehend why clubs voted that way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Aim Here said: It is physically possible that teams could do it, I agree. But why in the name of ungodly f**k would any sane club choose to throw away money without any justification? It only makes sense to pay Inverness more prize money than Alloa if Alloa did worse than Inverness in a competition. If you're voting for the competition to not ever have happened, why the f**k would the teams ostensibly placed lower, vote to give more prize-money to teams that did "better" in this competition that didn't happen. Because of the prize money structure, significantly more than half the clubs would lose out. It simultaneously makes no fucking sense logically, makes no fucking sense competitionwise and, for the bulk of teams, makes no fucking sense in terms of basic pecuniary self-interest. And Hearts fans seriously, with a straight face, are disgruntled that almost nobody in Scottish Football would have voted for this nonsense and are concocting mad conspiracy theories about Neil Doncaster and Celtic to explain it? Indeed - my head is about to explode at the asinine, illogical, pants-on-head idiocy on display. Alloa did do worse than Inverness - after 30 games. And according to you, and most folk on P&B, that's enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 League reconstruction in the SPFL is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. There needs to be a fresh look at Scottish football.Gordon Strachan was right when he said that the SPFL should be for full time professional clubs. The part time clubs should be playing in regional leagues along with all the other part time clubs. -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Bose said: Can someone please clarify what the wording of this legal action is likely to be? The Court of Session need Hearts more than Hearts need the Court of Session. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Alloa did do worse than Inverness - after 30 games. And according to you, and most folk on P&B, that's enough. Absolutely. They deserve less prize money for placing lower in the (admittedly cut slightly short) competition. If the competition didn't take place, though - as in if it was voided by a vote - what prize money there is should be divvied up evenly because there's no other sane way of allocating it. Likewise, if the Premiership was voided, there would be no case to relegate Hearts. Do you even have a grasp of what it means to void the competition? Edited May 27, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vandy said: League reconstruction in the SPFL is like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. There needs to be a fresh look at Scottish football.Gordon Strachan was right when he said that the SPFL should be for full time professional clubs. The part time clubs should be playing in regional leagues along with all the other part time clubs. Enough of this shite. The SPFL should be for any club who earns a place in it on sporting merit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 No football scores to check so I'm basically going online every ten minutes to see if Hearts are still crying and/or Budge has been put back in her box yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: They're in control of what papers/info gets put the 42 clubs Yes, they are a board elected by the clubs to provide leadership and do the required due diligence. They proposed a resolution based on the available information and the clubs got the final say on it. I'm not sure why people are so affronted by the fact 'null and void' and holding out to play the rest of the games were looked at by the board and decided not to be practical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Lebowski said: 11 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: So what? They had to have a vote to shaft Hearts,Partick, Falkirk, Stranraer, Kelty/Brora And the alternative was to shaft Celtic, Dundee Utd, Raith Rovers, and Cove Rangers. So it was a choice between the sides who've been good in their leagues, or the sides who've been shite in their leagues to be shafted... Its quite the quandary. Difficult to comprehend why clubs voted that way. You're right - that's not fair either (although the Dun Utd and RR problem could be remedied by AB's reconstruction). As I said, the 3 options should have been put to the clubs with no money carrot attached. Whatever they decided (without the slapstick comedy vote) would be settled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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