Popular Post RandomGuy. Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hearts fans at the start of May - "I hope all your tinpot clubs go bust, Hearts will be fine" Hearts owner at the end of May - "We're fucked if we cant play football soon, financial collapse is imminent" Forgive me if I dont start screeching in agony about poor wee Hearts of Midlothian facing doom. I highly doubt the likes of Steve Brown are going to have sympathy considering shes spent the past few years talking down to folk like him about how to run a football club. 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: talking down to folk like him Aided and abetted by the clowns on Sportsound who never tired of telling us "how well run Hearts are off the field". Whenever Hibs fans (or anyone else for that matter) suggested that suckling at the benefactors teat to make the books balance wasnt a business strategy, we were all called bitter and jealous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hearts aren't really worried about going bust, it's patently fucking obvious it's a story to try and get the Premiership clubs to soften their stance on reconstruction. It's to try and highlight the long term future of clubs wasn't actually considered when the concept of reconstruction was dismissed, ironically so the SPFL could focus on the long term survival of its members. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Any solution which had games being played would have been preferable, but I discounted it because we're clearly long past the point where finishing the season on the pitch is possible and there is no practical way of holding the playoffs. You can't have playoffs a week before the season starts and you know this. You can. Like other options it's not perfect. But you can. Would maybe have a gap of a few weeks until start of the next ( curtailed if necessary) season though. Perhaps the play offs could be happening while our teams are losing in the Europa preliminary rounds. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, Green Day said: Aided and abetted by the clowns on Sportsound who never tired of telling us "how well run Hearts are off the field". Whenever Hibs fans (or anyone else for that matter) suggested that suckling at the benefactors teat to make the books balance wasnt a business strategy, we were all called bitter and jealous. The benefactors extra money allowed us to build a stand, now that cost is no longer a necessity, no benefactor isn't why we'd be toiling in the championship. Mainly it'd be because we've lost out on potentially 9 months of playing football if the Championship is put into hibernation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Everyones in the same boat on this one.Cant get crowds in the championship=cant get crowds at any game.Its not exclusive to championship clubs, they're just shouting louder.Benefits of holding Premiership games behind closed doors - retain £30m a year TV deal with Sky, many clubs with big enough supports to at least partly cover costs.Benefits of holding Championship games behind closed doors - ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Benefits of holding Premiership games behind closed doors - retain £30m a year TV deal with Sky, many clubs with big enough supports to at least partly cover costs. Benefits of holding Championship games behind closed doors - ... Worst case scenario though.Best case is we're playing in front of crowds in a few month. What can anyone do about it anyway? Premier clubs are premier clubs? Championship clubs are championship clubs etc Edited May 23, 2020 by Sparticus spleling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sparticus said: Worst case scenario though.Best case is we're playing in front of crowds in a few month. What can anyone do about it anyway? Premier clubs are premier clubs? Championship clubs are championship clubs etc What you can do is entirely separate the tasks of restarting Premiership and Championship football, instead of treating them as two leagues that either can or should start behind closed doors according to (as close as possible) the originally understood schedule. The Championship ought to begin whenever it is practical for the leagues below it to do so. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthLanarkshireWhite Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: On the face of it I think this is a reasonable argument in favour of temporary reconstruction. An increased chance of relegation for everyone in the Premiership in a full season which can be finished could absolutely be considered fairer than calling the season early, and as there needs to be an exceptional solution which has some element of unfairness to it in these exceptional circumstances I can see why Hearts fans would naturally gravitate to this being the least bad solution. The problem is though that in terms of sporting fairness it considers the Premiership in a vacuum. You can credibly argue that having more relegation in one or two seasons time with the full season being completed is fairer than calling the league as it is and conclude that's a fairer solution for the Premiership, so it's the fairest solution overall. The Premiership isn't in a vacuum though, and however you reconstruct there's a ripple effect through the leagues which sees some clubs being fucked over through reconstruction. In the seemingly favoured plan of 14-14-14/16, that's Clyde, Peterhead and Forfar. Seeing that there's no solution which doesn't hurt some clubs, you come full circle to the argument of what's the least unfair way of deciding who gets hurt and having to consider sporting merit in that. That unavoidably brings us back to saying the clubs sitting bottom of their league on merit at the time the season stopped taking the hit is the least unfair option. If it's somehow beyond the pale for Hearts, Partick & Stranraer to go down in these circumstances because of the financial impact at a hugely challenging time for everyone despite the fact they were bottom, why would it be okay for clubs sitting mid-table in their league to be entirely arbitrarily bombed into a weaker division from positions which wouldn't normally have you changing division, with a financial impact on them as a result? There's no solution which doesn't hurt someone, and relegating the teams in automatic relegation places is considerably less unfair than that. You can read my mind? The only other way I can see is a much bigger middle tier e.g. 14/18/12- Even then you could argue that Dunfermline or Ayr would suffer from not having two home games against Raith or Dundee versus having to play Forfar or Peterhead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, btb said: I disagree, I still reckon there was sympathy for Hearts at the start of the process... I was talking about now, as I agree with you. At the start of this process, if handled correctly successful businesswoman Ann Budge could have pulled off a blinder. Instead, she made as much of a mess of the end of the season discussions as she did trying to retain her club's top tier presence. The throwing of the toys out of their pram by some Hearts posters (and while I appreciate single club forums like JKB are a toxic pit of stupidity) have eroded much of the sympathy they could have had here, while successful businesswoman Ann Budge's comments in public about how badly treated they have been have had the same effect in the public domain. Edited May 23, 2020 by Ric 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We actually have a recent case study of a club having to prepare to play in the top league on very little notice. Dundee, who had finished second in the First Division in 11/12, had to prepare, at short notice, for playing in the SPL after Rangers died and a spot was opened up. They did not do well. They finished 11 points clear at the bottom. They scored only 28 goals and conceded 66, both the worst in the league, and had the worst goal difference in the league, -38. They didn't win in 14 games. They lost 6 in a row once. They only won 7 games. They simply didn't have enough time to prepare and it showed very clearly. It's one of the many reasons why you can't just decide to have the playoffs shortly before the season begins. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 This is where the roaster element whipping themselves into a battle fever over legal action becomes a useful face-saving exercise if they avoid relegation. It will be because the rest of Scottish football has finally yielded to the maroon juggernaut and nothing to do with the club begging for its survival. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 We actually have a recent case study of a club having to prepare to play in the top league on very little notice. Dundee, who had finished second in the First Division in 11/12, had to prepare, at short notice, for playing in the SPL after Rangers died and a spot was opened up. They did not do well. They finished 11 points clear at the bottom. They scored only 28 goals and conceded 66, both the worst in the league, and had the worst goal difference in the league, -38. They didn't win in 14 games. They lost 6 in a row once. They only won 7 games. They simply didn't have enough time to prepare and it showed very clearly. It's one of the many reasons why you can't just decide to have the playoffs shortly before the season begins.Airdrie similarly were promoted to the first division and finished bottom the following season with 22 points. Stranraer were the team promoted into the second division they finished 3rd bottom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Jack Burton said: 7 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: We actually have a recent case study of a club having to prepare to play in the top league on very little notice. Dundee, who had finished second in the First Division in 11/12, had to prepare, at short notice, for playing in the SPL after Rangers died and a spot was opened up. They did not do well. They finished 11 points clear at the bottom. They scored only 28 goals and conceded 66, both the worst in the league, and had the worst goal difference in the league, -38. They didn't win in 14 games. They lost 6 in a row once. They only won 7 games. They simply didn't have enough time to prepare and it showed very clearly. It's one of the many reasons why you can't just decide to have the playoffs shortly before the season begins. Airdrie similarly were promoted to the first division and finished bottom the following season with 22 points. Stranraer were the team promoted into the second division they finished 3rd bottom. Yup, good examples, and shows that the case of Dundee isn't in isolation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, virginton said: What you can do is entirely separate the tasks of restarting Premiership and Championship football, instead of treating them as two leagues that either can or should start behind closed doors according to (as close as possible) the originally understood schedule. The Championship ought to begin whenever it is practical for the leagues below it to do so. The season can simply be backloaded until all the games have played out.Guarenteeing clubs of a full seasons gate income. Doesnt matter if it all takes bit longer to complete as long as it does. Hearts are taking in their season ticket money and have foh cash too. That wil see them pretty much down the road far enough till matches start and crowds are back. Stuff they are coming out with just now is blatent lies looking for the sympathy vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wonder Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I dunno how many time it needs to be said but the FoH money isn't for the running of the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Sparticus said: Everyones in the same boat on this one.Cant get crowds in the championship=cant get crowds at any game.Its not exclusive to championship clubs, they're just shouting louder. It's not even as if this is a new issue (except to SBW-AB & her cronies), if you look at the Championship Corona Thread they've been discussing this for over a month now and how this will affect when that division can restart playing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 The season can simply be backloaded until all the games have played out.Guarenteeing clubs of a full seasons gate income. Doesnt matter if it all takes bit longer to complete as long as it does. if it’s practical to backload the season regardless how long it takes then we could finish this season instead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: if it’s practical to backload the season regardless how long it takes then we could finish this season instead Not now we cant.Its already finished. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 40 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said: I dunno how many time it needs to be said but the FoH money isn't for the running of the club. Except it is, as is stated on it's website. "To ensure that the future of Heart of Midlothian Football Club remains secure for all time." Does that not extend to supporting it financially? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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