DA Baracus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Ferranti Thistle renamed themselves Meadowbank Thistle as the name 'Ferranti Thistle' did not meet the naming regulations of the SFL. They were named after Ferranti engineering work, so there was some issue with sponsorship rules of clubs. Due to the death of Third Lanark, there was a spot open in the SFL which Ferranti won after applications and voting. They could play as Ferranti Thistle in the league(s) they were in before but not the SFL, thus the name change. No clubs were brought over and no league memberships were traded. In 1993 they were converted to a limited company. They were seemingly on the verge of going bust. They fucked off to Livingston in 1995 and changed their name. Seems to be an intact lineage, but it looks like Meadowbank were sort of bought over in all but name. Not sure though, I'm no expert (all of the above is lifted from Wikipedia!). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Never going to happen. Time to move on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I reckon to have a cats chance in Hell Ann Budge will need to do three things Firstly: Persuade Sky to put up more money for more football or at least persuade the clubs that this would happen. Secondly: Modify the "temporary" reconstruction to a "trial" reconstruction. So if in 2 years time everybody is happy with 14 we keep it, otherwise 3 teams go down in 2022/23 Thirdly: Be Lucky First-If the SPFL experts cant squeeze more money out of Sky, how do you expect a bitter old woman with a self interested motive to do it? Second-Trial is just another word for temporary.Like Budge when she was told no re construction last time she said ok we'll rejig it then,Rearrange it?Different words,same meaning, same outcome.No. Third- Yer lucks ran out. Edited May 21, 2020 by Sparticus spling 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: You can't just buy over a club. The club can just say 'no'. No club is going to agree to be bought over and thus consigned to the bin. You can buy over clubs. I'm currently a member of a foundation that's doing just that. It would be the current owners that would have to say "yes" or "no" and not every football club is in the hands of entirely decent and upright citizens with no interest in money being waved at them. I suggest that for a businessman of the calibre of a Dave King or a Charles Green arranging for a smaller club to be bought out by a "saviour" asset stripped and then the hollow shell recycled in Govan wouldn't be too much of a challenge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: What happened in the cases of Ferranti and Meadowbank? Genuine question, I'm not sure if they were bought over, particularly in the Meadowbank Livingston case. The guy that had Meadowbank Thistle deliberately ran the club into the ground so that "moving" to West Lothian became "the only option" Source: The Meadowbank Thistle fan that used to drink in the same bar as my Dad.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Sparticus said: First-If the SPFL experts cant squeeze more money out of Sky, how do you expect a bitter old woman with a self interested motive to do it? Second-Trail is just another word for temporary.Like Budge when she was told no re construction last time she said ok we'll rejig it then,Rearrange it?Different words,same meaning, same outcome.No. Third- Yer lucks ran out. First: More games and a league with Hearts in it is worth a little bit more and we wouldn't need a massive uplift to allow Saint Johstone to get their £150,000. It's not trivially easy but it's not impossible. Second: "Trial "means it can be sold as different things to different people, People who genuinely think 14 is a good idea will assume that it will be popular, others will assume not. More to the point kicking the can down the road is always and attractive option Third: Our bad luck's got to break some time. I'm not sure which gypsy we pissed off And as I say these prerequisites only get us to the cat's chance in hell stage Edited May 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: otherwise 3 teams go down in 2022/23 No play offs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: No play offs? I hadn't considered that detail But to be honest if you didn't manage to win a championship which excludes the best 14 teams then you're probably not going to beat the 11th best team in the country anyway And if you could get people arguing about playoff arrangements in 3 years time then you'd practically have sold the overall deal already Edited May 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spring Onion Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Second: "Trial "means it can be sold as different things to different people, People who genuinely think 14 is a good idea will assume that it will be popular, others will assume not. More to the point kicking the can down the road is always and attractive option So in two years time when no one has the appetite to keep the trial version, what happens to the bottom of the second division teams once the re-jigging has to be re jogged back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spring Onion said: So in two years time when no one has the appetite to keep the trial version, what happens to the bottom of the second division teams once the re-jigging has to be re jogged back? I'll give you his real answer. He couldnt care less, hearts would be ok by then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: First: More games and a league with Hearts in it is worth a little bit more and we wouldn't need a massive uplift to allow Saint Johstone to get their £150,000. It's not trivially easy but it's not impossible. Second: "Trial "means it can be sold as different things to different people, People who genuinely think 14 is a good idea will assume that it will be popular, others will assume not. More to the point kicking the can down the road is always and attractive option Third: Our bad luck's got to break some time. I'm not sure which gypsy we pissed off And as I say these prerequisites only get us to the cat's chance in hell stage https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-fry-birmingham-city-leak-13062683 Maybe you should try persuading Ann to pish in each corner of Tynecastle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountyFan Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: But to be honest if you didn't manage to win a championship which excludes the best 14 teams then you're probably not going to beat the 11th best team in the country anyway To be honest, if you can't be higher in the league than St Mirren, Hamilton and Ross County after 29 (twenty fucking nine) games then you're probably going to get relegated anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coventry Saint Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Lurkst said: Re the 15 team leagues, you could end up with a scenario where the teams in 10th and 11th places play each other before the split, with both wanting to lose to improve their chances of avoiding the drop! Personally I'm not a fan of league setups that have teams sitting out fixture weeks. This. By virtue of the ridiculous international calendar last season, and us being dugshite in the League Cup, it felt like we were only playing once a fortnight. It was w**k, tbqhwy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: But to be honest if you didn't manage to win a championship which excludes the best 14 teams then you're probably not going to beat the 11th best team in the country anyway You never know, the 11th team could be Hearts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sparticus said: I'll give you his real answer. He couldnt care less, hearts would be ok by then. I was going to be a bit more nuanced than that The problem would be smaller, two years away from needing addressed and three years away from actually happening. Which to people in the middle of a pandemic means it's basically not a problem. I thought that would be covered under "kicking the can down the road is always an attractive option" And Hearts will, most likely be OK by 2023 regardless. Edited May 21, 2020 by topcat(The most tip top) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You never know, the 11th team could be Hearts. Not if that urinating on the pitch thing that Sgt Wilson suggested works 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/barry-fry-birmingham-city-leak-13062683 Maybe you should try persuading Ann to pish in each corner of Tynecastle. She's going to hand over the club to the Foundation relatively soon so maybe I should run for election to the board of the foundation promising to raise the curse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Ludo*1 said: Wouldn't attend that borefest. Bad enough watching them on TV. That's funny you answered your own question it doesn't matter if it's a borefest you still watch it. SKY are all about viewing figures and Scottish football is full of derbies. Aberdeen will be delighted if cove get their act together. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: I was going to be a bit more nuanced than that The problem would be smaller, two years away from needing addressed and three years away from actually happening. Which to people in the middle of a pandemic means it's basically not a problem. I thought that would be covered under "kicking the can down the road is always an attractive option" And Hearts will, most likely be OK by 2023 regardless. There isnt a problem the way things are just now though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: You can buy over clubs. I'm currently a member of a foundation that's doing just that. It would be the current owners that would have to say "yes" or "no" and not every football club is in the hands of entirely decent and upright citizens with no interest in money being waved at them. I suggest that for a businessman of the calibre of a Dave King or a Charles Green arranging for a smaller club to be bought out by a "saviour" asset stripped and then the hollow shell recycled in Govan wouldn't be too much of a challenge. I mean you can't just simply do it. If you have the money and think "I want to buy Albion Rovers over and replace them with another club" you can't just do it. It's not simply a case of just having the money to do it. Why has it not been done before save for that one time, in which it was done under exceptional circumstances that we almost certainly won't see repeated? Why have Celtic not bought over say, Annan, and replaced them with Celtic B? Why did Rangers never buy over say, East Stirlingshire, and replace them with Rangers B? Or why don't Celtic buy over Cumbernauld Colts and keep the name but make it Celtic B by having a load of players sign for them (essentially they'll still be under the employ of Celtic) on window to window deals and loans? Cove were wanting in to the league for years. They have a bit of cash. Why didn't they buy Brechin over and then rename and relocate back to Cove before the playoffs were in place? Kelty Hearts are annoyed that the playoffs this season are not going ahead. Why don't they buy Brechin over and rename and relocate? Edited May 21, 2020 by DA Baracus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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