jimbaxters Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 18 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Its come quite a way over the years. First edition of the SCC had 38 teams in it. Then it would shift to a SW /NE regional draw for the first few rounds to minimise the travel costs. Has it really come quite a way? It's just benefitting from the Juniors move. Hardly a feather in the cap for the competition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, jimbaxters said: Has it really come quite a way? It's just benefitting from the Juniors move. Hardly a feather in the cap for the competition. Long before the Juniors entered it went from a tournament that could easily be scrapped and dismissed as too costly to run. When it was created it didn't really have an obvious place in the calendar. The Qualifying Cup being an early season tournament to get into that season's Scottish Cup and those dates were now being used by the early rounds of the opened up Scottish Cup. With the EoS & SoS having their own established tournaments for later in the season it didn't quite displace those tournaments in the hierarchy. The SFA subsidised the first two seasons for both the South & North versions of the Challenge Cup. The North version came to an end when the funding stopped. While the South had pivoted to regionalised early rounds to make it sustainable in the longer term. With the creation of the Lowland League it became the main competition for the Lowland area and had gotten to a place in 2016-17 where the tournament became an open draw with no regionalisation again. In ten years it went from something additional in the non-league senior calendar to the tournament that everyone's fixture list was basically shaped around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jimbaxters said: Has it really come quite a way? It's just benefitting from the Juniors move. Hardly a feather in the cap for the competition. There are people who are very keen to push this cup as part of a wider ongoing anti-junior football agenda. Hopefully, now that the vast majority of entrants are teams that were in the Junior Cup until very recently, the tail won't wag the dog for much longer and a way will be found to carry on the traditions of having a national rather than a regional cup as the most prestigious knockout format competition. Edited September 29, 2020 by LongTimeLurker -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peters Wyngarde Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: There are people who are very keen to push this cup as part of a wider ongoing anti-junior football agenda. Hopefully, now that the vast majority of entrants are teams that were in the Junior Cup until very recently, the tail won't wag the dog for much longer and a way will be found to carry on the traditions of having a national rather than a regional cup as the most prestigious knockout format competition. My buttocks are clenching at reading that - time to accept the past is history and the future is the way ahead. Those clinging to the Junior past are those that will soon be left behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Peters Wyngarde said: ...time to accept the past is history and the future is the way ahead. My Team : Selkirk The future can be whatever the majority of clubs involved want it to be. Edited September 29, 2020 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 46 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: There are people who are very keen to push this cup as part of a wider ongoing anti-junior football agenda. Hopefully, now that the vast majority of entrants are teams that were in the Junior Cup until very recently, the tail won't wag the dog for much longer and a way will be found to carry on the traditions of having a national rather than a regional cup as the most prestigious knockout format competition. You've obviously got some blinkers on if talking about the history of a tournament counts as part of an "anti-junior football agenda". This is also a specific thread for the competition, so not really sure what you'd expect to find other than people being positive about it for the most part. The fact that you see things as still being Junior and Senior instead of working together at this point is rather sad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 5 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: There are people who are very keen to push this cup as part of a wider ongoing anti-junior football agenda. Hopefully, now that the vast majority of entrants are teams that were in the Junior Cup until very recently, the tail won't wag the dog for much longer and a way will be found to carry on the traditions of having a national rather than a regional cup as the most prestigious knockout format competition. I'm not sure why you are so desperate to add in the north its not like the north teams were the major driving force in the JUnior Cup. Culter would maybe get to the last 32 or Banks of Dee thats about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 The Scottish angle is the key to getting the more casual few games a season type fan a reason to actually start giving a Rafael about their local clubs. Strongly suspect the SCC will see finals with WoS or EoS Cup type crowds at best and there will be no extra interest in earlier rounds relative to run of the mill league games. Would you be a regular Camelon fan if the SJC hadn't been the gateway drug that pulled you in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: The Scottish angle is the key to getting the more casual few games a season type fan a reason to actually start giving a Rafael about their local clubs. Strongly suspect the SCC will see finals with WoS or EoS Cup type crowds at best and there will be no extra interest in earlier rounds relative to run of the mill league games. Would you be a regular Camelon fan if the SJC hadn't been the gateway drug that pulled you in? I probably would have because if that's all I was I would have done the same as the thousand others and walked away 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunrise Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I probably would have because if that's all I was I would have done the same as the thousand others and walked away A bit of whatabootery by LongTimeLurker - when I began reluctantly watching Largs (I literally spent most of the match asking how long was left) I certainly didn’t really think we’d go far in the Junior Cup... even though we’d just won it. When I grew older, it was more the lure of backing a team that wasn’t the Old Firm (Aberdeen weren’t very guid at the time) and being able to tell kids at school who weren’t very nice that I go to the football every Saturday. I was as excited by going to Dalmellington as anywhere else! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sunrise said: A bit of whatabootery by LongTimeLurker - when I began reluctantly watching Largs (I literally spent most of the match asking how long was left) I certainly didn’t really think we’d go far in the Junior Cup... even though we’d just won it. When I grew older, it was more the lure of backing a team that wasn’t the Old Firm (Aberdeen weren’t very guid at the time) and being able to tell kids at school who weren’t very nice that I go to the football every Saturday. I was as excited by going to Dalmellington as anywhere else! None of my parents were into football, so I didn't get brought up supporting anyone. Like most people in that situation I iamgine I ended up "supporting" the half of the OF that most of my friends did. First time going to the local Junior side was a friendly against that half of the OF. Who put out what I will generously call a reserve side. Ground was packed. It was enough of an atmosphere to get the group of friends I went with to keep going sporadically. This was the 90s and with none of our parents fans of the Junior side there wasn't anyone to really educate us on big teams visiting or which cups were important. So none of them really meant anything to us. When you follow a side that's lucky to win a couple of games in any cup, none of them really mean much. It was the games where you might get promotion or even a division title that were memorable and drew the casual fans along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: None of my parents were into football, Do you mean "neither", or is there something else you want to share with us? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: Do you mean "neither", or is there something else you want to share with us? ...and two additional parents eventually appear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 Seems sensible enough giving the uncertainty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 29/09/2020 at 17:51, Sunrise said: A bit of whatabootery by LongTimeLurker - ... More to do with vaguely remembering from another recent thread what AlanCamelonfan's first Camelon game was, but no matter. 10 minutes ago, Burmah Oil said: East of Scotland starting league on Saturday. If all the games go ahead next three weeks there teams could get the edge in these games:- Dunbar vs Drumchapel Lily vs Larkhall Pollock vs Tranent Sauchie vs Buffs Thornton vs Glens Given Round 2 is scheduled for Nov 21, a January start for WoS could mean SoS/EoS/LL only in the SCC this year, if the other three leagues all start up as appears to be happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Noticed Kilwinning are down to play their postponed game away to Sauchie on Wednesday under the lights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Noticed Kilwinning are down to play their postponed game away to Sauchie on Wednesday under the lights. I saw HJ say that in the other thread. I figure they'd rather do that than bump the away game to Gala in the next round to an unknown date. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Sauchie are streaming tonight's game against Kilwinning https://www.facebook.com/802209416612157/posts/1707687256064364/?d=n 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbaxters Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Ginaro said: Sauchie are streaming tonight's game against Kilwinning https://www.facebook.com/802209416612157/posts/1707687256064364/?d=n Who won please? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuvuzela Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 2-1 Sauchie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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