South Region Challenge Cup 2020-21

[leomessi1984]

6 hours ago, rncaa said:

This irrelevance was today? 

Oh ok all so meh. 

Soulless soccer shop challenge south thingy cup that will be lucky to play two or three rounds horrific haud me back. 

Shambles of a post number 44 #shamblescount 

[Ginaro]

3 hours ago, rncaa said:

For example junior cup final 2000 3000 plus will turn out for a club like glenafton, this competition no chance its like a regional cup final 400 or 500 tops for a final. 

570 turned out for the last final. I'm sure if it involved a better supported club than East Kilbride there would be a lot more.

[Talbot supporter]

Have to laugh at those all high and mighty and above the junior grade now types now failing terribly trying to make this out to something it isn't.
Decades and decades of history and tradition create the buzz and feeling of the junior cup and did so up until the season just past despite what the anoraks say.
Communities get behind the junior cup that is not in dispute that simply can't be replicated elsewhere translate to .
For example junior cup final 2000 3000 plus will turn out for a club like glenafton, this competition no chance its like a regional cup final 400 or 500 tops for a final. 
 
Side note the smaller clubs well and truly shafted by this actually the away team full stop,  rules made by god knows who with junior clubs now having to be subjected to it shocking. 

Would you not say this cup should be a more difficult cup to win than the SJC therefore generate the same amount of fans? Or does the name and history of this cup go against that ?

[Talbot supporter]

Just call it the Scottish Challenge Cup and amalgumate the SJC into it , like a Scottish cup for all non league clubs

[rncaa]

7 hours ago, Chis said:

Can I suggest you choose your words very carefully in future otherwise you could have serious legal problems.

You probably dealt with him during the 2000s when he was on the pollok committee . He's a pyramid anorak who will say what he wants about you and others .

 Mr lok enjoy watching pollok going nowhere in this phoney ' pyramid ' a club with its heart and soul ripped out .

Edited September 6, 2020 by rncaa

[Whitburn Vale]

3 hours ago, rncaa said:

You probably dealt with him during the 2000s when he was on the pollok committee . He's a pyramid anorak who will say what he wants about you and others .

 Mr lok enjoy watching pollok going nowhere in this phoney ' pyramid ' a club with its heart and soul ripped out .

You could be talking about Whitburn,a club going nowhere ,a club no-one wants to watch in the town anymore.........

[FairWeatherFan]

10 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:

There is no comparison between the 2 imo one is a national competition and the other is a regional one.

Pretty much this.

The SCC was never meant to be the primary cup, that's what the Scottish Cup is for. Other than the 2018-19 SCC where you had the intake of EoSFL clubs. About half of the SCC entrants were SFA members. Even last year when it went to 70 more than half were in the Scottish Cup. So when the early rounds of the Scottish Cup and SCC are being played, you know where the focus is going to be for those pulling double duty. Once the SCC gets to the later rounds it gains more traction, just like most cups when fans think there's a chance of winning it.

The Junior Cup on the other hand, was the Scottish Cup for most clubs.

[Andy groundhopper]

6 hours ago, Talbot supporter said:

Just call it the Scottish Challenge Cup and amalgumate the SJC into it , like a Scottish cup for all non league clubs

At last something sensible, would be a cracking national cup with or without the North clubs involved. The final attendance usually dependant on who's playing. Personally, a club gets say 2-300 for league games, but takes 1,000 to a final..so what ? Where were the fans during the season ?  Ditch the bitterness and let's move on together.

[cmontheloknow]

13 hours ago, Chis said:

Can I suggest you choose your words very carefully in future otherwise you could have serious legal problems.

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by cmontheloknow

[cmontheloknow]

5 hours ago, rncaa said:

You probably dealt with him during the 2000s when he was on the pollok committee . He's a pyramid anorak who will say what he wants about you and others .

 Mr lok enjoy watching pollok going nowhere in this phoney ' pyramid ' a club with its heart and soul ripped out .

Don't really do anoraks tbh. I'll accept statto though. But not really that into pyramids.

Have we met?

 

Edited September 6, 2020 by cmontheloknow

[LongTimeLurker]

Do these playground level insult sort of posts contribute constructively to the discussion? The reality whether the hardline anti-junior types on here like it or not is that the SJFA probably isn't going away any time soon and is now embedded inside the pyramid with 53 out of 67 WoS clubs still members and the 30 or so clubs of the north region likely to enter soon when the north superleague becomes a tier 6 feeder for the HL. The focus should be on how to move forward, sort out the mess in the east and build a strong national cup competition using the traditions of the SJC as its foundation rather than having an ongoing rivalry between the SCC and SJC.

[cmontheloknow]

4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Do these playground level insult sort of posts contribute constructively to the discussion? The reality whether the hardline anti-junior types on here like it or not is that the SJFA probably isn't going away any time soon and is now embedded inside the pyramid with 53 out of 67 WoS clubs still members and the 30 or so clubs of the north region likely to enter soon when the north superleague becomes a tier 6 feeder for the HL. The focus should be on how to move forward, sort out the mess in the east and build a strong national cup competition using the traditions of the SJC as its foundation rather than having an ongoing rivalry between the SCC and SJC.

The issues are from the pro Junior brigade side. The SJC will die off as WR sides one by one don't renew. We're 10 down already and I'm confident in predicting others will follow in 2021. The SCC lacks the history of the SJC but it has a far stronger list of entrants.

Time will tell how it plays out but the SJFA's existence is what is in doubt, if anything.

Really can't see the NR sides embracing the SJC post joining pyramid seeing as they by and large play a game and lose it as it is, potentially at great cost to themselves.

I have said repeatedly the SJFA should have ran the show below tier 5 and I am actually angry at how this has all panned out, rather than gleeful.

Edited September 6, 2020 by cmontheloknow

[LongTimeLurker]

The focus should be on how to have a competition that keeps alive the traditions that gave us moments like this:

Now that Tom Johnston is heading off into the sunset to enjoy his retirement that shouldn't be mission impossible. It's time for a lot of people to hit the reset button on how they approach these issues..

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, cmontheloknow said:

Really can't see the NR sides embracing the SJC post joining pyramid seeing as they by and large play a game and lose it as it is, potentially at great cost to themselves.

A pyramid in the North has the same sort of chipping away at SJC participation as in the Lowland. BoD or another North Region club get promoted, they'd be unable to keep playing in the SJC due to the scheduling issues. Some of the favourites to get relegated from the HL are likely to enter the NCL.

You'll start to see more North clubs trying to get into the SFA and even the Aberdeenshire & District FA. Which the likes of Dyce have ticked off one of those boxes.

 

[TFW]

Re the SCC and SJC. I know a large number of the old Junior clubs are very unhappy about the lack of any gate money for away clubs, and it wouldn't surprise me if there are kickbacks against it. I don't know of any club treasurer who doesn't welcome a visit from the large Talbot travelling support, but think a good number of them might well bethingin if there's nothing in it for the club might as well give it a miss.

Kelty v Talbot last year pulled in nearly 1,700 punters, including a large travelling support. Not only did they provide Kelty with a welcome boost to the club coffers, but also contributed the only atmosphere in the game as well. If only a handful turned up instead (if and when crowds are back to normal) folk might start asking questions of the current system. 

[LongTimeLurker]

Key thing to remember maybe is that a large majority of SCC entrants this season were in the SJC as recently as three seasons ago. The tail doesn't need to wag the dog on this. Now that the leading officeholders of the SJFA are from WoS clubs that are in the pyramid and SJC entry has been decoupled from the concept of being in an association outside the pyramid and the senior grade, it should be possible to use democracy at the various AGMs to resolve these issues in a common sense sort of way and come up with a flagship cup competition that is fit for purpose and will thrive in the years ahead.

[cmontheloknow]

You support your club through thick and thin, and don't give games a miss solely because you don't get anything out of it.

I thought there was a grumble up thread about it being a raw deal for the wee teams.

And yet here's a Bot fan saying they'll not go to a wee team if they don't get some of the gate?

[andy25]

Why should the home team get all the gate money?

You support your club through thick and thin, and don't give games a miss solely because you don't get anything out of it.
I thought there was a grumble up thread about it being a raw deal for the wee teams.
And yet here's a Bot fan saying they'll not go to a wee team if they don't get some of the gate?

[AlanCamelonfan]

12 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Key thing to remember maybe is that a large majority of SCC entrants this season were in the SJC as recently as three seasons ago. The tail doesn't need to wag the dog on this. Now that the leading officeholders of the SJFA are from WoS clubs that are in the pyramid and SJC entry has been decoupled from the concept of being in an association outside the pyramid and the senior grade, it should be possible to use democracy at the various AGMs to resolve these issues in a common sense sort of way and come up with a flagship cup competition that is fit for purpose and will thrive in the years ahead.

Their is it's called the south challenge cup. It does the same thing you are saying. In reality what you want is the south challenge cup to be the junior cup. If u call it sfa trophy would it be as popular as the junior cup was I dont think so because it's just the same problem. 

I wouldnt have a problem of all of us entering the junior cup but the junior cup being done into the format of south challenge cup doing away with replays and not endless weeks of postponement.

 

I keep seeing aye but their isnt the same appeal for south challenge cup compared to junior cup. The junior cup was almost like the champions league in junior terms it was the most important competition where as in the pyramid more focus is placed on the league and for those who enter the senior scottish cup that is the focus. 

 

So in summary unless it's the junior cup we all enter you are aswell keeping the south challenge cup 

[AlanCamelonfan]

2 minutes ago, andy25 said:

Why should the home team get all the gate money?

In the same breath if we turned up with 10 fans and talbot have 1000 should we get half the gate?