Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, traffordab said: Shocking but not surprising. What a terrible state our youth game is in awe sadly never see it recovering. you are saying shocking and I've just stated that information is wrong. The development league is a fantastic league for developing youths and now with a strong West senior representation there will be more u20s teams starting in years to come and this will empower a lot more youth who look up at this when younger and see a clear pathway to play at a higher level I only see one major problem. The SYFA must allow youth players of younger teams to be able to play as a trialist for a development club as this would be valuable development experience for the lads. Right now there is a problem that they don't want this happening which is stifling youths development. Its obviously being looked at right now and hopefully it will be sorted quite amicable for the benefit of all Scottish Football Edited May 7, 2020 by Bestsinceslicebread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTID Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, traffordab said: Shocking but not surprising. What a terrible state our youth game is in awe sadly never see it recovering. Don’t really see what there is to be shocked about. We’ve fully costed next year. The vast majority of our expenses (probably 3/4) is pitch hire. The youth game has struggled because there is so little money involved/invested even at the highest level. This backed up with a lack of govt (politics and football) help on pitch costs, coach education etc. So volunteers pick up the pieces. At least there is a vision with the U20. A sense of purpose and forward thinking with the clubs involved. It’s getting the most committed, hard working and quality coaches together at this level and trying to make it a more professionals and positive environment. From what I seen last year the league is doing good things. We are very much looking forward to being a part of it. It’s optional, so if the club doesn’t like it, don’t have it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasiders Youth Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 With the standard of some of the refereeing in our league last season it could be money well spent for a higher calibre of game. Refs that can keep up with players/play and venture out the centre circle. Refs that don’t disappear to McDonald's at half time with players on the pitch waiting for them... (I kid you not - that happened last season) My understanding is that it will be development referees being used - the guys being fast tracked to the higher levels in the game. Sounds like a win-win situation to me tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Seasiders Youth said: With the standard of some of the refereeing in our league last season it could be money well spent for a higher calibre of game. Refs that can keep up with players/play and venture out the centre circle. Refs that don’t disappear to McDonald's at half time with players on the pitch waiting for them... (I kid you not - that happened last season) My understanding is that it will be development referees being used - the guys being fast tracked to the higher levels in the game. Sounds like a win-win situation to me tbh. Suppose being on a different day to youth games will help, for example this category 3 development referee doubled up with six U20 games on Fridays https://www.eosfl.com/content.php?pg=matchlge&pd=1044&frt=fixtures#frmft=True&pg=matchlge&pd=1044&fsea=11&fcomp1ShowAll=&fclub1ShowAll=&fclub2ShowAll=&frt=all&fref=260&frefShowAll= 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OnTheGround Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 10k per year to run a team in the u20s team is insane my friend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTID Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, OnTheGround said: 10k per year to run a team in the u20s team is insane my friend. Not sure how you’ve arrived at that figure. Already stated if running a 19s or 21s we’ll be better off in this structure. If you don’t have a development team or the 10k then don’t put a team in??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, OnTheGround said: 10k per year to run a team in the u20s team is insane my friend. Unfortunately that's the second time you have came out with completely wrong, negative information on this thead Is it deliberate thing or you just gullible listening to other people ? 7 minutes ago, BTID said: Not sure how you’ve arrived at that figure. Already stated if running a 19s or 21s we’ll be better off in this structure. If you don’t have a development team or the 10k then don’t put a team in??? Yeah FACTUALLY it works out cheaper to run a development squad than a U19s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasiders Youth Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, OnTheGround said: 10k per year to run a team in the u20s team is insane my friend. Where on earth are you pulling the figure of £10k from? Last season in the Ayrshire league we paid the refs £40 a game. (£38 halved by the teams every game - but nobody asked for a £1 change out of a score) Ref fees are not the big cost it’s pitch hire for games & training that are the major outlays. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 07/05/2020 at 11:26, Bestsinceslicebread said: That's how misinformation create problems. I'm not meaning you ontheground, just obviously people telling contacts and not the full information. yes the fee are usually £60 but at the end of the season you get that money back. So if you played 15 homes games @ £60 its £900 but the SFA refund the WHOLE money back to the club, but that's been the same for the past few years, will it change, I hope not as these are development lads so you want to give them and clubs every chance of continued progress. There is nothing saying how many teams but the development lowland league receive enough interest that they hope to arrange of which they have stated there's been plenty of interest and looks very promising. The list of teams for the West would be Dunipace have an U20s confirmed but admittedly unsure at the moment for WOS or EOS Cumbernauld Colts Braves / Edusport BSC Bonnyton Thistle Upper Annandale Mid Annandale. Bellshill New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Clydebank New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Shettleston New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Troon FC New to U20s Development CONFIRMED POSSIBLY Kilwinning Pollok Rossvale East Kilbride Kirkintilloch Rob Roy East Kilbride Largs Thistle Irvine Meadow Vale of Leven St Cadocs a poster above said about travelling would be expected and totally agree. The U20s is not a step up and is the start of the business end so a business plan is really the best way and the way to work that out is worst case scenario and take it from there Totally forgot as I mentioned it previously but not heard anything as it looked as if they were too busy extending their youth club into a senior club but I was told today that St Cadocs are looking to start an U20s team for the development league. Nothing concrete yet but would be a great addition as their youth set up is in great shape 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On 07/05/2020 at 17:49, OnTheGround said: 10k per year to run a team in the u20s team is insane my friend. How did you arrive at that figure? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Dev said: How did you arrive at that figure? he hasn't, if you read his other posts, you realise just a troll As stated before its factually cheaper to run a U20s development team than an Under 17s, 19s or U21s 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Totally forgot as I mentioned it previously but not heard anything as it looked as if they were too busy extending their youth club into a senior club but I was told today that St Cadocs are looking to start an U20s team for the development league. Nothing concrete yet but would be a great addition as their youth set up is in great shape Newmains United have appointed Development Coaches. Would this be for an Under 20's side too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Dev said: Newmains United have appointed Development Coaches. Would this be for an Under 20's side too? I can't say, as I haven't spoken with anyone at Newmains, I only know from the people I chat with or have been in communication. U20s development team is not a static item, it really depends how its run or what way each team thinks it should be run. Will a professional team look at an U19s team and ask them to join and become their u20s team but in the next couple of years there is nothing or no-one to take over from the next age unless the first team find another U19s team two years later to take over or an academy runs an u19s and the under 19s become the new u20s development team and the coaches all work together so that the teams below at U17, U16 down through the ages are trained with a purpose of development and thus when they reach the Under 20s age they are ready to experience the first team. Definitely will be great if Newmains does add an u20s development team as there will be about 14 teams, form the West in the development league Edited May 10, 2020 by Bestsinceslicebread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmainac1875 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 hours ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: I can't say, as I haven't spoken with anyone at Newmains, I only know from the people I chat with or have been in communication. U20s development team is not a static item, it really depends how its run or what way each team thinks it should be run. Will a professional team look at an U19s team and ask them to join and become their u20s team but in the next couple of years there is nothing or no-one to take over from the next age unless the first team find another U19s team two years later to take over or an academy runs an u19s and the under 19s become the new u20s development team and the coaches all work together so that the teams below at U17, U16 down through the ages are trained with a purpose of development and thus when they reach the Under 20s age they are ready to experience the first team. Definitely will be great if Newmains does add an u20s development team as there will be about 14 teams, form the West in the development league I can confirm that Newmains United will be exploring the avenue of entering a u20s development side next season, however being a brand new project a number of challenges to overcome but we certainly hope to be part of this exciting chapter in WOS football and supporting our senior team 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) On 11/05/2020 at 18:53, Pyramidic said: That is fantastic, another team joining the U20s development league and making it official There is nothing saying how many teams but the development lowland league receive enough interest that they hope to arrange of which they have stated there's been plenty of interest and looks very promising. The list of teams for the West would/could be Have Applied or ran an Under 20s team in season 19/20 Dunipace have an U20s confirmed but admittedly unsure at the moment for WOS or EOS Cumbernauld Colts Braves / Edusport BSC Bonnyton Thistle Upper Annandale Mid Annandale Bellshill New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Clydebank New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Shettleston New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Troon FC New to U20s Development CONFIRMED Vale of Leven New to U20s Development CONFIRMED POSSIBLY (two teams from the group below I know will be applying to the U20 development league so that would take it to 14 teams from the West side and with an impressive, excellent East side, the Lowland U20s Development League looks as if is growing from strength to strength) Kilwinning Pollok Rossvale East Kilbride Kirkintilloch Rob Roy Largs Thistle Irvine Meadow St Cadocs Newmains United Edited May 12, 2020 by Bestsinceslicebread Amended adding Newmains 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Noticed a couple of U21 teams celebrating their promotion - 32 clubs were left in the West Under 21s when the music stopped, wonder how many will remain when football restarts? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Noticed a couple of U21 teams celebrating their promotion - 32 clubs were left in the West Under 21s when the music stopped, wonder how many will remain when football restarts? I believe there will be plenty of U21s teams playing next year in the West> its always different the following year, some teams fold, some teams join 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig fae the Vale Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Delighted to see the Vale of Leven announce entry. I'm a big fan of this league, and regularly spend my Friday nights at one game or another. Having a team to properly support will just make it all the better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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