Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) On 14/04/2020 at 20:14, FairWeatherFan said: Since it will be a topic of discussion. Everyone happy with the idea of using the first season of Conferences to form tiered divisions right down? WoS Premier WoS First WoS Second WoS Third Or WoS Premier WoS First WoS Second regionalised Or would you prefer to see the EoSFL model adopted of just form the WoS Premier and work from their way down? 67 teams in 4 leagues leaves no wriggle room. Has to be 5 leagues IMHO .Tiers 6-9,tier 9 split regionally. Edited April 16, 2020 by Doonhamer1969 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 55 minutes ago, the rambler said: If all 3 Champions were to go up then the feeder Leagues need to be Tier 6 standard. The SOSFL is clearly not. I am not trying to criticise that League nor open old arguments. The reward should be for merit not geographical location. What would stop WOSFL teams switching to SOSFL to short cut the route to the LL? Geographical integrity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The LL won't open their relegation up until there is a need. Next seasons winner of the wosfl won't be licensed in time to get promoted to the LL so we are looking at least towards the end of the following season before there are any wosfl clubs able to be promoted.The sosfl doesn't have to move, if their champion wins their league and has spent the time getting licensed, why should they not be given promotion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The argument has been made on here that the distance from D +G to Central is less than the current West Region. Off the top of my head...South Ayrshire, East Ayrshire, South Lanarkshire could argue travel is similar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the rambler Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I thought the idea of a Pyramid was to have teams playing at the right level with the opportunity to progress. SOSFL is by passing 2 tiers, by merit, to achieve automatic promotion to Tier 5 if the proposal to promote all feeder League Champions comes to pass. Edited April 16, 2020 by the rambler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I thought the idea of a Pyramid was to have teams playing at the right level with the opportunity to progress. SOSFL is by passing 2 tiers, by merit, to achieve automatic promotion to Tier 5 if the proposal to promote all feeder League Champions comes to pass. They haven't bypassed two tiers of anything, they are exactly where they have been since the pyramids inception. They do not stop any wosfl team from getting to the LL on merit.Just because the wrsjfa clubs are in the pyramid doesn't mean everyone else has to move over and let the new wosfl have the best of everything.There is no requirement for the sosfl to move. If their champion is licensed and wins the playoff they deserve to get promoted.In the theoretical version regarding three promotion spots (sosfl, wosfl and eosfl champions) that's 3 guaranteed spots. If the sosfl stays at tier 6 but their champion can't get promoted the spot would likely go to a playoff between the next best placed licensed clubs in the eosfl and wosfl.Move the sosfl and you guarantee that the 3rd promotion place goes, automatically. Then you only get a place for a wosfl and eosfl champion. (3 potential places down to 2). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMan Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 If all 3 Champions were to go up then the feeder Leagues need to be Tier 6 standard. The SOSFL is clearly not. I am not trying to criticise that League nor open old arguments. The reward should be for merit not geographical location. What would stop WOSFL teams switching to SOSFL to short cut the route to the LL? Didn't take long...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, the rambler said: I thought the idea of a Pyramid was to have teams playing at the right level with the opportunity to progress. SOSFL is by passing 2 tiers, by merit, to achieve automatic promotion to Tier 5 if the proposal to promote all feeder League Champions comes to pass. At the risk of repeating myself, I said a while back on the Juniors sub board that no-one wants to be the kind of complete pie that moves into a neighbourhood and then immediately starts trying to order the new neighbours around. The SoS is clearly the smallest and weakest of the three feeder leagues, and almost every year won't challenge either the West of East for a promotion slot. On the odd occasion they do, they'll get there on merit. I don't get why some people find their continued existence at Tier 6 so offensive...they cater for a clearly-defined and discrete part of the country after all. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spit Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 We need to remember we're the new kids in town here, because we've entered this league doesn't give us some god given right to start interfering, my club kello could easily have applied to the Sosfl but didn't, and honestly we'd have finished pretty decent in it, last season we played friendly matches against Abbey Vale won 9-2 and nithsdale wanderers up 6-0 game got stopped after a bad injury to a player, but at the end of the day each team plays in a league to suit them, so let's stop the sosfl shouldn't get this or that, and play by the rules thats in place, if you didn't like the set up then you could have stayed where we were 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WitsTheGoalieDain? Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Bit of a negative thread eh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 14/04/2020 at 23:57, Dev said: Regionalised lowest divisions would help new clubs to come on-board so could be three Tiered divisions with regional fourth tier as there are 67 clubs. You could even make the regional fourth tier into two conferences with inter-conference games (like the EoS did this season) if there were only 10 to 12 clubs per conference. Agree with most of that, except dont see the attraction in inter conference games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 08:23, the tin man said: The lowland league really has to relegate more all 3 champions should be goin up As more teams get licensed, they need to move to at least two automatic relegations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doonhamer1969 said: Agree with most of that, except dont see the attraction in inter conference games. The inter-conference games is just about getting to a sensible number of games. If you've got, say 16-16-16-19, you're not going to have the bottom tier play 36 league games, surely. But if you split it 10 and 9, it's better to have each play their own conference opponents twice and the others once than have them play their own conference 3 times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, GordonS said: The inter-conference games is just about getting to a sensible number of games. If you've got, say 16-16-16-19, you're not going to have the bottom tier play 36 league games, surely. But if you split it 10 and 9, it's better to have each play their own conference opponents twice and the others once than have them play their own conference 3 times. You can always split Tier 8 into two 17/18 conferences or three loosely regionalised divisions of 11 or 12. Also depends on how many applicant clubs you could have next season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The inter-conference games is just about getting to a sensible number of games. If you've got, say 16-16-16-19, you're not going to have the bottom tier play 36 league games, surely. But if you split it 10 and 9, it's better to have each play their own conference opponents twice and the others once than have them play their own conference 3 times. The inter conference games in the eosfl were pretty interesting this year, they appeared strange at the outset but they were actually pretty decent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) On 15/04/2020 at 08:34, G4Mac said: The LL won't relegate more of their clubs unless the spfl relegate automatically and stop the stupid playoff. It is a really silly scenario, I agree that it should be at minimum 2 places in the LL, the spfl playoff has had its day now, time for progression. But what you have is turkeys voting for Christmas scenario, spfl clubs will never vote to have it as a straight relegation place, sadly which on turn means the LL is unlikely to open their own trap door. So until there is a change of approach it might take some time to change the promotion places available. Putting a couple of extra teams into the SPFL as part of reconstruction (or not), should then result in Team 44 being automatically relegated. Edited April 16, 2020 by Doonhamer1969 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said: You can always split Tier 8 into two 17/18 conferences or three loosely regionalised divisions of 11 or 12. Also depends on how many applicant clubs you could have next season I'd go with 11 or 12 to leave expansion room for new teams coming in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, GordonS said: The inter-conference games is just about getting to a sensible number of games. If you've got, say 16-16-16-19, you're not going to have the bottom tier play 36 league games, surely. But if you split it 10 and 9, it's better to have each play their own conference opponents twice and the others once than have them play their own conference 3 times. Yeah, agree re 10 and 9 in the leagues, but teams could just play each other 3 times to avoid the inter conference. Edited April 16, 2020 by Doonhamer1969 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Putting a couple of extra teams into the SPFL as part of reconstruction (or not), should then result in Team 44 being automatically relegated.That would only be for one season though, it wouldn't set the precedent.Until the clubs are licensed and the LL gets stronger the spfl playoff will remain. The future of this depends solely on the sfa granting licences and clubs getting stronger and stronger.Right now there are only Kelty and Bonnyrigg who would make a good go of the spfl in the LL, the rest aren't at that level yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doonhamer1969 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 15/04/2020 at 04:56, GordonS said: Or they could be playing league derbies against Ayr Utd and getting even more? What do those who follow them really think about the current quality of e.g. Talbot, in relation to SPFL teams ? From results ive seen over the last couple of years, they look like they'd be perhaps mid table SPFL League One level. Is that about right ? Obviously be guided by those more in the know of the (now former) West Premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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