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53 minutes ago, haufdaft said:

Reports that the preferred option is 14-14-16 with Brora & Kelty Hearts into bottom tier.

 

So not only are Clyde and others relegated to the bottom tier and Cove Rangers not promoted, prize money will be divided by 44 instead of 42.

 

All to save Hearts from one season in the championship.

It's clearly not just to save Hearts. If 14/14/16 gets voted through it'll require 75% of clubs to vote for it. Why would all those clubs only care about not relegating Hearts?

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Reports that the preferred option is 14-14-16 with Brora & Kelty Hearts into bottom tier.

 

So not only are Clyde and others relegated to the bottom tier and Cove Rangers not promoted, prize money will be divided by 44 instead of 42.

 

All to save Hearts from one season in the championship.

 

 

On reflection cove are probably quite happy. Their path to the second tier is significantly easier than it would have otherwise been. Plus being new members of the SPFL they won’t have the same ‘repetition fatigue’ issues with playing mainly the same sides again.

 

Unfortunately ourselves, Peterhead and Forfar are getting absolutely screwed. Stranraer less so as they have been abysmal, but why should hearts and thistle escape relegation and not Stranraer. (Before someone claims otherwise it’s a relegation on all but paper).

 

Sadly I can’t see enough teams objecting to kick this into touch. Our best hope is premier league teams but an increased buffer from relegation (14 teams instead of 12) will probably be enough to sway most of them in favour.

 

There should be financial compensation (parachute payment style) made available to Clyde, Peterhead and Forfar as a result of this, which I won’t hold me breath for but definitely something we should pursue.

 

Automatic relegation from bottom tier is a must too.

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It's clearly not just to save Hearts. If 14/14/16 gets voted through it'll require 75% of clubs to vote for it. Why would all those clubs only care about not relegating Hearts?


If 100% of clubs don’t vote in favour then it has failed to meet the ‘nobody is disadvantaged’ criteria stated by the working group.

Although we all know what they really meant is nobody important is disadvantaged.
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Reports that the preferred option is 14-14-16 with Brora & Kelty Hearts into bottom tier.
 
So not only are Clyde and others relegated to the bottom tier and Cove Rangers not promoted, prize money will be divided by 44 instead of 42.
 
All to save Hearts from one season in the championship.
 
 
 
 
 


Ironically a quick look at Jambo Kickback and according to Hearts fans the SPFL is pure out to get them yet from everyone else’s point of view they’re bending over backwards to keep Hearts up. Clearly living on the same planet as the posters of RangersMedia
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Hard to make a decision when so much detail is missing; promotion/relegation, playoffs, prize money etc.

Can't see the majority of League 2 sides voting for this if it includes Brora and Kelty.

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What's up with Brora and Kelty?

I'm struggling to see any possible structure where no one is disadvantaged, because you would have to do something bizarre like have a massive 2nd tier, or odd numbered divisions.

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2 minutes ago, G_H said:

What's up with Brora and Kelty?

I'm struggling to see any possible structure where no one is disadvantaged, because you would have to do something bizarre like have a massive 2nd tier, or odd numbered divisions.

Why would the worst teams in the country vote in two sides that will be better than them? Why would Elgin vote in a side who would be competing for players? Why would any side vote to dilute the prize money pot (however small an impact that may be)? Short termism will always win through in Scottish football.

I am all for opening up the bottom of the League. Not convinced it should be happening this way. Neither should Falkirk and Inverness be gaining promotion.

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1 hour ago, Clyde01 said:

Unfortunately ourselves, Peterhead and Forfar are getting absolutely screwed. Stranraer less so as they have been abysmal, but why should hearts and thistle escape relegation and not Stranraer. (Before someone claims otherwise it’s a relegation on all but paper).

On the other hand perhaps  Clyde have done well here, given that Stranraer still had a potential 29 points to play for and the resident Stair Parkers on here are convinced they had turned the corner it's quite conceivable to some that they could have overhauled Clyde in the run in.

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18 minutes ago, Paco said:

 


Both organisations put the decision to a vote.

 

The spfl though only gave the clubs one option mind you whilst the SSL gave them a number of different options and went with the one with the most votes.

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2 hours ago, haufdaft said:

Reports that the preferred option is 14-14-16 with Brora & Kelty Hearts into bottom tier.

 

So not only are Clyde and others relegated to the bottom tier and Cove Rangers not promoted, prize money will be divided by 44 instead of 42.

 

All to save Hearts from one season in the championship.

 

 

 

 

 

Cove will be promoted.  They will be in tier 3 next year instead of the tier 4 this season. 

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It's clearly not just to save Hearts. If 14/14/16 gets voted through it'll require 75% of clubs to vote for it. Why would all those clubs only care about not relegating Hearts?

What is going to be interesting is how the second division “bloc” react. As they stated they have already agreed to vote as one for a 14/14/14 . If that’s the case I think that scuppers the 75% of the lower leagues requirement.
As an aside why ,when they have members on the restructuring committee and it’s ongoing, do they make public announcements about what way they are voting ? Why not try and influence from within,wait to see recommendation and then make a decision ?
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4 minutes ago, honestman54 said:

Cove will be promoted.  They will be in tier 3 next year instead of the tier 4 this season. 

Cove haven't actually won anything so moving to 3 leagues should be acceptable to them.Another story if they had already won L2.Then they could argue about being in the middle tier.But as it stands moving to 3 tiers is the fairest way IMO even if its not perfect and won't please everyone.

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7 minutes ago, honestman54 said:

Cove will be promoted.  They will be in tier 3 next year instead of the tier 4 this season. 

That would mean another club goes down the way to accommodate them, where do you get this from?

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Cove will be promoted.  They will be in tier 3 next year instead of the tier 4 this season. 


They are still in the bottom tier of the SPFL, one tier above the highland league and with all the same clubs they played last season, some of whom they beat by cricket scores. I’m not sure that will seem like much of a promotion.
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5 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

That would mean another club goes down the way to accommodate them, where do you get this from?

If we change to 3 divisions then the lowest division will be at tier 3, nobody gets relegated.  Even though Cove would still be in the lowest tier, that tier is still at tier 3, where they would have been if they had been promoted under the old 4 division set up.  Simples.  I dont know what club would go down under your thiunking.

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Just now, Jack Burton said:
18 minutes ago, honestman54 said:
Cove will be promoted.  They will be in tier 3 next year instead of the tier 4 this season. 

Promoted along side Brechin who were fighting relegation all season, sounds fair.

So what option do you suggest then?  Come up with something positive and stop snipping at others comments.

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If we change to 3 divisions then the lowest division will be at tier 3, nobody gets relegated.  Even though Cove would still be in the lowest tier, that tier is still at tier 3, where they would have been if they had been promoted under the old 4 division set up.  Simples.  I dont know what club would go down under your thiunking.
For Clyde etc it will be the equivalent of a relegation even if you don't want to call it that.
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