mealsonwheels Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Shadwell Dog said: Tears. The only tears should be for people who have lost their lives due to this horrible pandemic. This is a football thread to take people away from whats going on for 5 mins. Your comeback was the work of a pleb! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 With the reconstruction they are proposing 2 seasons to see how it works 6 team top split and bottom 8 2 extra games to cover revenues lost by the Old firm games, if a team is in the bottom half regularly i.e. St Mirren and Hamilton then it is a given to add another 2 teams as lessons the pressure on them and also potentially if the gap between clubs isnt that back another say 12 points a season as a guesstimate. I dont think the Premiership will buy into a 16 team league unless the prize money is reduced for those teams in the middle of the league by say 100-150k each which might be an incentive for the 14 team league (dont see any Rangers or Celtic voting for it if it reduces there money the end of the day its got to keep those 2 happy most to get passed) failing that a larger championship and merge league 1 and league 2. I think they had mentioned there is several options they are looking at with a decision to be made by end of May as a timeline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Sandy Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 12 hours ago, Stevo Fife said: Lock up yer wumin, The FalFife are cumin! Excellent! ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: If Forfar had an outstanding balance of £3k drop into get, based on league position, how could Brechin have nearly £17k? I'd say the article is inaccurate. How hard can it be for the SPFL to release a club by club breakdown? ie (Made up figures to illustrate) Stranraer, position 32. Season value £60k, August £20k, December £20k March £10k, balance of season value based on league position £10k. True 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 hour ago, AL-FFC said: With the reconstruction they are proposing 2 seasons to see how it works 6 team top split and bottom 8 2 extra games to cover revenues lost by the Old firm games, if a team is in the bottom half regularly i.e. St Mirren and Hamilton then it is a given to add another 2 teams as lessons the pressure on them and also potentially if the gap between clubs isnt that back another say 12 points a season as a guesstimate. I dont think the Premiership will buy into a 16 team league unless the prize money is reduced for those teams in the middle of the league by say 100-150k each which might be an incentive for the 14 team league (dont see any Rangers or Celtic voting for it if it reduces there money the end of the day its got to keep those 2 happy most to get passed) failing that a larger championship and merge league 1 and league 2. I think they had mentioned there is several options they are looking at with a decision to be made by end of May as a timeline. Each of the "teams in the middle of the league" has the same number of votes as Rangers or Celtic, and it only needs two teams to vote against it for it to be chucked out. So in fact, anything that disadvantages, say, Killie, Motherwell, St Johnstone and Livingston, is in fact much less likely to get through than something which only disadvantages Celtic (or Rangers). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaggerG Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Each of the "teams in the middle of the league" has the same number of votes as Rangers or Celtic, and it only needs two teams to vote against it for it to be chucked out. So in fact, anything that disadvantages, say, Killie, Motherwell, St Johnstone and Livingston, is in fact much less likely to get through than something which only disadvantages Celtic (or Rangers). Wouldn't bet on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raith1974 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 The bitterness on this forum by some Falkirk fans is quite outstanding. Then they crack on about how it's so unfair to relegate Partick. These fans dont give a jot about Partick they only care about one thing and that is promoting the 2nd top team to the Championship. When this all started I was all for reconstruction with no relegation and 2 up but why would a Clyde or Montrose for example want to agree to that. At the moment they are going to get decent gates when Falkirk and Partick attend but instead they're going to vote for Edinburgh City who will bring a fraction to their grounds and keep Stranraer who will bring even less. It's a no brainer for these teams to vote against this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, ShaggerG said: Wouldn't bet on it. You think it's more likely that several Premiership clubs vote for something that will actively disadvantage them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPar Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, raith1974 said: The bitterness on this forum by some Falkirk fans is quite outstanding. Then they crack on about how it's so unfair to relegate Partick. These fans dont give a jot about Partick they only care about one thing and that is promoting the 2nd top team to the Championship. When this all started I was all for reconstruction with no relegation and 2 up but why would a Clyde or Montrose for example want to agree to that. At the moment they are going to get decent gates when Falkirk and Partick attend but instead they're going to vote for Edinburgh City who will bring a fraction to their grounds and keep Stranraer who will bring even less. It's a no brainer for these teams to vote against this. It's highly unlikely that football fans will be setting foot inside any stadium this side of Christmas. So if clubs are hanging their hats on "decent gates from Partick and Falkirk" they will be waiting a long, long, long time. By the time football returns to some sort of normality, a lot of clubs will not be around.to see it. That's the reality. For this reason, reconstruction is some form is absolutely inevitable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Also, if a Montrose or an East Fife have ambition, they might think that having Cove and Edinburgh in the league might give them a far better shot at the title next season than having Falkirk and Partick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, mealsonwheels said: This is a football thread to take people away from whats going on for 5 mins. Your comeback was the work of a pleb! Exactly what I was trying to feckin say ffs. This is football a game a sport we enjoy debating. Theres no need for tears in here whilst in the real world people are dying. A pleb would have understood that. Edited April 18, 2020 by Shadwell Dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Also, if a Montrose or an East Fife have ambition, they might think that having Cove and Edinburgh in the league might give them a far better shot at the title next season than having Falkirk and Partick. Likewise teams in the Championship would rather not have Falkirk and Thistle in the league. Both teams should be competing at the top of the championship if they get their act together. I also can't see league 2 sides voting to admit Kelty and Brora, another two teams who will splash the cash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 48 minutes ago, AGPar said: It's highly unlikely that football fans will be setting foot inside any stadium this side of Christmas. So if clubs are hanging their hats on "decent gates from Partick and Falkirk" they will be waiting a long, long, long time. By the time football returns to some sort of normality, a lot of clubs will not be around.to see it. That's the reality. For this reason, reconstruction is some form is absolutely inevitable. Reconstruction addresses none of the financial issues set out in the above scenario though, so it is absolutely not 'inevitable'. Try again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGPar Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, virginton said: Reconstruction addresses none of the financial issues set out in the above scenario though, so it is absolutely not 'inevitable'. Try again. Where did I say it did? By the time Scottish football returns in any kind of format, a number of clubs will be gone. So reconstruction in some form or another will be absolutely inevitable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, AGPar said: Where did I say it did? By the time Scottish football returns in any kind of format, a number of clubs will be gone. So reconstruction in some form or another will be absolutely inevitable. Which clubs do you think will be gone? Are we talking one or two, or are we talking a dozen or more? Why will they be gone? If the government are picking up the wages bill, what are a clubs other outgoings? Could the fans organise fighting funds to pay these outgoings? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 If, and only if, real reconstruction is on the table, the 4 OF games are dead, which would mean a new TV contract would be required. This would not necessarily be a bad thing, as the dearth of sports on TV now shows the broadcasters where their bread is buttered. Let’s use some items from other leagues and sports. With only two OF matches in a season, the ticket prices for those matches would rise, offsetting some of the loss. The concept of variable ticket pricing for different games in the same season and competition should certainly apply here. The OF could also do a preseason match or two at stadia around the UK and Ireland and make bank. New Premiership of 20 teams, play 38 games (home/away to all in league). Bottom three teams relegated to the new Championship, see below. New Championship of 24 teams, divided into two divisions. Each division is 12 teams, and they play home/away within division and a single game versus the other division teams (divided 6 and 6). Thats 34 games, but bigger variety, which should help gates. The divisions are decided yearly by a 75% vote of all eligible teams. Should such a voting threshold be reached by May 31, the two unpromoted teams with the best record shall select the other teams in their division alternately to allocate them. Promotion from Championship. The division winners will be automatically promoted. The teams placed 2-5 in each division will enter a playoff for the third promotion spot. The second team in one division will play the fifth team in the other division, etc (2A-5B, 3A-4B, 4A-3B and 5A-2B), in a home way format, the higher positioned team choosing between home or away for the first game. The four winners will be reseeded, based upon records, and will play top versus bottom and middle verses middle, again home/away. The two winners of this round will advance to a single game at Hampten Park, the winner to be promoted. Relegation from Championship. The bottom side in each division shall enter a playoff with the highest placed HL/LL team. The team from HL/LL with the better record shall have first choice of opponent, the Championship side shall choose home or away for the first game. The winner of each series shall play in the Championship the next year. Advantages: 44 teams, wider variety of opponents, better money distribution, likely more TV interest due to variety of matches. Disadvantages: Fewer OF matches. Open Question: What kind of a TV contact could be negotiated...but that can be found out quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mealsonwheels Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said: Exactly what I was trying to feckin say ffs. This is football a game a sport we enjoy debating. Theres no need for tears in here whilst in the real world people are dying. A pleb would have understood that. Fair enough mate I recind that message Do like the final dig you put in there though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gogs Grog Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 Also, if a Montrose or an East Fife have ambition, they might think that having Cove and Edinburgh in the league might give them a far better shot at the title next season than having Falkirk and Partick. To be fair as a Montrose fan that's the first thought I had. Go up and have a season of better gates like Arbroath have done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, TxRover said: If, and only if, real reconstruction is on the table, the 4 OF games are dead, which would mean a new TV contract would be required. This would not necessarily be a bad thing, as the dearth of sports on TV now shows the broadcasters where their bread is buttered. Let’s use some items from other leagues and sports. With only two OF matches in a season, the ticket prices for those matches would rise, offsetting some of the loss. The concept of variable ticket pricing for different games in the same season and competition should certainly apply here. The OF could also do a preseason match or two at stadia around the UK and Ireland and make bank. There are already variable ticket prices within the league. Every club charges what they want for every individual game. Your suggestion here seems to be geared entirely towards the Old Firm earning more money. Also, the TV companies are clearly not going to rip up an already agreed contract to offer more money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Haggis Hunter Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Which clubs do you think will be gone? Are we talking one or two, or are we talking a dozen or more? Why will they be gone? If the government are picking up the wages bill, what are a clubs other outgoings? Could the fans organise fighting funds to pay these outgoings? Some of the premier teams are likely the first to go down the tubes, Rangers apparently can survive 7 days without gate money. Not sure why this hasn’t happened yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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