The SPFL recommendation?

[Hank von Hell]

15 hours ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Partick have 5 million in the bank left from the lottery winner bloke so not short of a bob or two.

When did they get that ? Was that after he died?

It's not in their last accounts. They actually seem quite well run now , they might be one of the dozen clubs left after all this. 

[Hank von Hell]

10 hours ago, AL-FFC said:

Thing about the legal action is Bonnyrigg Rose were hinting towards it as they had a game in hand and were 6 pts behind Kelty, Kelty and Brora are both being denied the chance to play in the SPFL and added into that the Brechin chairman being on the SPFL board straight away there regardless what way you look at it is a conflict of interest so if they do it right the clubs being shafted the most out of this will club together in the challenge.

Do Brora actually want to go up this time? 

[Sergeant Wilson]

5 hours ago, Hank von Hell said:

When did they get that ? Was that after he died?

 

Shortly after...sorry before Mr Weir died.

[Shadwell Dog]

7 hours ago, Hank von Hell said:

When did they get that ? Was that after he died?

It's not in their last accounts. They actually seem quite well run now , they might be one of the dozen clubs left after all this. 

It's the trust he left behind when he died m8. That Jackie low is in whole charge of it . Obviously decided it could be better spent though than legal action.

[macclyde+]

9 hours ago, Snafu said:

Going by the club's statement yes they do.

https://brorarangers.football/2020/04/15/club-update/

From the end of the statement.

However there has been a good deal of support from SPFL member teams for the inclusion of Brora and Kelty next season, and Raith Rovers,Stranraer and Edinburgh City have issued statements to support this.

 

Raith Rovers have already benefitted from the original decision, so League reconstruction would not be detrimental in any way to them, and would again benefit from Falkirks large support if they also went up with reconstruction.

 

Stranraer and Edinburgh would both be in the third tier should 14.10.10.10 come about, no surprise they are both keen on it !!

 

Be interesting to see what other clubs who get no benefit would vote, after all lets not kid ourselves, just about every club ,(including my own) will do so out of self interest.

[Clyde01]

Raith Rovers have already benefitted from the original decision, so League reconstruction would not be detrimental in any way to them, and would again benefit from Falkirks large support if they also went up with reconstruction.
 
Stranraer and Edinburgh would both be in the third tier should 14.10.10.10 come about, no surprise they are both keen on it !!
 
Be interesting to see what other clubs who get no benefit would vote, after all lets not kid ourselves, just about every club ,(including my own) will do so out of self interest.

In terms of sporting fairness the 14-10-10-10 is probably best. Promote 2 and relegate none doesn’t really punish anyone.

However by forcing through the current vote which is now the default if no further agreement is reached it’s become interesting.

You are basically asking League 1 clubs to vote for swapping Thistle & Falkirk for Stranraer & Edinburgh. From a purely financial point of view that’s a no brainer.

Maybe reconstruction won’t get the support it needs.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

22 minutes ago, macclyde+ said:

Raith Rovers have already benefitted from the original decision, so League reconstruction would not be detrimental in any way to them, and would again benefit from Falkirks large support if they also went up with reconstruction.

Not if you believe some of the knicker wetters threatening a boycott 'because the blue pound'

[DA Baracus]

22 hours ago, SLClyde said:

The only viable reconstruction I can see is a 14 team SPL with 3 leagues of 10 below it. 
 

No relegation, Brora and Kelty up. 

Bold move to resurrect a dead governing body. Ludicrous as well given how elitist they were. The first thing they'd do is remove the play off place.

Presumably the leagues under the SPL would remain under the governance of the SPFL?

21 hours ago, Dennistoun Bairn said:

That's right, it is.  And its unfair to relegate Partick when they've played a game less. 

Do you think they would be relegating the New Rangers if they were still working their way up through the leagues and were in Partick's place?  

That's why it was done on points per game, not overall points.

18 hours ago, Clyde01 said:

 

What’s the incentive for making the top 4? If the top three are all well clear your better chucking a few games to be 5th before the split as if your 4th there’s no European spot.

Plus there is plenty of evidence of horrific results (Kilmarnock this season) when we put forward our best 4 sides to Europe. It would be far worse if we reward weaker sides, that’s why we stopped cup runners up from qualifying.

 

They got rid of the European spot for the cup runners up because they were being elitist dicks and hated that teams like Queen of the South and Dunfermline got a chance in Europe. Tears were shed about the co-efficient as well I think.

They should have kept it. QOTS, and almost certainly my club, will never play in Europe again. The cup runner up spot at least offered a slim chance to clubs to get a chance to do it.

16 hours ago, Specky Ginger said:

They've obviously backed down as they've been tipped the wink that there's going to be no relegation. 

That saves Stranraer as well. 

Imperfect though it is, and much as I'll miss the seethe from Hearts and McCall, it's probably the solution that does the least amount of damage to the least amount of clubs. 

No, they just realised that a long and costly legal case, which they would almost certainly lose, was not worth it.

[David W]

25 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

They got rid of the European spot for the cup runners up because they were being elitist dicks and hated that teams like Queen of the South and Dunfermline got a chance in Europe. Tears were shed about the co-efficient as well I think.

 

I'm pretty sure it was UEFA who got rid of the "runners-up" rule.

[DA Baracus]

6 minutes ago, David W said:

I'm pretty sure it was UEFA who got rid of the "runners-up" rule.

Well boo to them then!

[Clyde01]

Well boo to them then!

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

[DA Baracus]

3 minutes ago, Clyde01 said:

 

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

 

If results are going to be shit then I say let the cup runners up have a go. It's not often anyway, and isn't football supposed to be about participation?

I'd much rather see a club and it's fans get a once in a lifetime opportunity rather than Aberdeen getting another pointless turn at it.

[roman_bairn]

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

These are CLUB competitions.
All this shite about coefficients and number of places destroyed any notions of the ‘romance’ of cup competition....

[Bluegrass Bairn]

1 hour ago, Clyde01 said:

 

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

 

Pretty elitist attitude, there. If QoS or Inverness or St Johnstone win the cup why the hell shouldn't they get European football as a result?  Its supposed to be an open competition, not only for the high and mighty. By your standards our crappy national side shouldn't even bother trying to qualify for Euro or World Cups.  

Some other 'diddy' team results to support your theory -  a pretty mixed bag, for sure.  

Rangers 1-7 Eintracht;  Rangers 1-4 Unirea Urziceni;  Rangers 0-2 Neiderkorn

Lincoln Imps 1-0 Celtic;  Artmedia 5-0 Celtic;  PSG 7-1 Celtic

Hibs 0-7 Malmo;  Aberdeen 1-5 Olomouc

And yes, QoS  lost1-2 and Falkirk lost 1-2 after extra time. But not really quite as diddy as the above shameful results. . 

[SouthLanarkshireWhite]

3 hours ago, Clyde01 said:

 

In terms of sporting fairness the 14-10-10-10 is probably best. Promote 2 and relegate none doesn’t really punish anyone.

However by forcing through the current vote which is now the default if no further agreement is reached it’s become interesting.

You are basically asking League 1 clubs to vote for swapping Thistle & Falkirk for Stranraer & Edinburgh. From a purely financial point of view that’s a no brainer.

Maybe reconstruction won’t get the support it needs.

 

I'll keep saying it. 14-18-12 if we have to go to a 14 top league.

[roman_bairn]

Pretty elitist attitude, there. If QoS or Inverness or St Johnstone win the cup why the hell shouldn't they get European football as a result?  Its supposed to be an open competition, not only for the high and mighty. By your standards our crappy national side shouldn't even bother trying to qualify for Euro or World Cups.  
Some other 'diddy' team results to support your theory -  a pretty mixed bag, for sure.  
Rangers 1-7 Eintracht;  Rangers 1-4 Unirea Urziceni;  Rangers 0-2 Neiderkorn
Lincoln Imps 1-0 Celtic;  Artmedia 5-0 Celtic;  PSG 7-1 Celtic
Hibs 0-7 Malmo;  Aberdeen 1-5 Olomouc
And yes, QoS  lost1-2 and Falkirk lost 1-2 after extra time. But not really quite as diddy as the above shameful results. . 

It should be added that the Falkirk result was to a team from Liechtenstein. Of course our lazy media pointed out how bad that is.
Until of course you realise that they actually played in the top 10 of Swiss Super League and are regular entrants to Europe who have beaten some teams significantly bigger than ourselves....

[Billy Jean King]

Let's all just give up and hand everything to the OF plus whatever 2 emerge from the pack !!! FFS from a Clyde fan too.

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

[Jack Burton]

Let's all just give up and hand everything to the OF plus whatever 2 emerge from the pack !!! FFS from a Clyde fan too.

The coefficient is really only meaningful to the Old Firm everyone else will be out after 1 or 2 rounds anyway. Don't see any issue with cup winners getting a place in Europe for that reason.

[Wee Sandy]

2 hours ago, Clyde01 said:

 

Letting diddies like Dunfermline, Falkirk, Gretna, QOTS represent us in Europe led to some absolutely shameful results.

It should definitely be our 4 best league sides that go forward each season and even then results are a mixed bag.

 

Just noticed this.....from a CLYDE fan...!!

Have Clyde won anything since we got COLOUR TELLY in the 1960's??

Genuine question...askin' fur a pal.

[Clyde01]

Pretty elitist attitude, there. If QoS or Inverness or St Johnstone win the cup why the hell shouldn't they get European football as a result?  Its supposed to be an open competition, not only for the high and mighty. By your standards our crappy national side shouldn't even bother trying to qualify for Euro or World Cups.  
Some other 'diddy' team results to support your theory -  a pretty mixed bag, for sure.  
Rangers 1-7 Eintracht;  Rangers 1-4 Unirea Urziceni;  Rangers 0-2 Neiderkorn
Lincoln Imps 1-0 Celtic;  Artmedia 5-0 Celtic;  PSG 7-1 Celtic
Hibs 0-7 Malmo;  Aberdeen 1-5 Olomouc
And yes, QoS  lost1-2 and Falkirk lost 1-2 after extra time. But not really quite as diddy as the above shameful results. . 

I’ve no real problem with the cup winner qualifying for Europe along with the top 3 league sides, but no cup runners up. If that’s a smaller side then so be it, they earned it by winning the cup rather than just reaching the final.