EdinburghBlue Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 The bad news is that the rules have been rewritten to address this. They now differentiate between a club and the person (which includes a company) which happens to be operating it. So if Rangers* went bust and the assets were bought by another person or company then they would suffer a 15 point penalty in year one and five in year two, and 25/15 for a second insolvency event within five years. So carefully calibrated to ensure that Rangers** and Rangers*** would still be in the top league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaka Mal Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 French courts have declared relegation from Ligue 1 illegal.Get ready for Budge to go into overdrive now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kwaka Mal said: French courts have declared relegation from Ligue 1 illegal. Get ready for Budge to go into overdrive now! She would need to take it to this mob first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Arbitration_for_Sport The SFA have already warned her that taking the SPFL to court is against the articles and the club could be subject to punishment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 She would need to take it to this mob first https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_of_Arbitration_for_Sport The SFA have already warned her that taking the SPFL to court is against the articles and the club could be subject to punishment.The courts will of course roll over and accept the SFA as a higher authority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pride Of The Clyde Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, Kwaka Mal said: French courts have declared relegation from Ligue 1 illegal. Get ready for Budge to go into overdrive now! The big difference between us and them is our decision was agreed through a democratic vote of our members not the case in France. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said: The courts will of course roll over and accept the SFA as a higher authority. The SFA would be legal in removing Hearts, which would boot them from the league. It’s all in the bylaws, and all quite legal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 21 hours ago, Kwaka Mal said: French courts have declared relegation from Ligue 1 illegal. Get ready for Budge to go into overdrive now! The French clubs didnt vote for relegation, Scottish clubs did. Not quite sure how Hearts can contest a decision made via a democratic vote of all member clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The SPFL have confirmed we're sticking with the current set-up. On behalf of Clyde F.C. I'd like to extend a GIRUY to Tom English, Ann Budge, Leslie Deans, Zombie Rangers FC, Neil McCann and the Brora chairman. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Will be interesting to see whether budge now has the bottle to follow through with her legal plans or whether it was just a load of bravado. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The big difference between us and them is our decision was agreed through a democratic vote of our members not the case in France.We must have the most undemocratic democracy in world football.Let’s face its its a dictatorship when 11 of 12 need to vote to the satisfaction of the big two.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartcraig Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: We must have the most undemocratic democracy in world football. Let’s face its its a dictatorship when 11 of 12 need to vote to the satisfaction of the big two.... But equally, 1 of the big 2 can't push any decision through without the supporting vote of at least 10 other clubs. So not a dictatorship. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 It's literally the opposite of a dictatorship. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 It's literally the opposite of a dictatorship.I think democracy usually means the majority rule.So not sure how 11 of 12 being needed is actual the exact opposite of a dictatorship.But I sure understand why you would think otherwise... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) A few pages ago we had a Falkirk fan complaining that small clubs shouldn't be allowed a vote as they hold too much power and now the big clubs have voted down the proposal that would see them promoted, we have another Falkirk fan saying it's the big clubs that have turned Scottish football into a dictatorship. Do you guys maybe want to have a wee meeting between yourselves and decide which it is before launching your toys all over the forum? Edited June 15, 2020 by The Moonster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Anybody that thought there was ever going to be a change, in the league setup, has rocks in their head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's literally the opposite of a dictatorship. The 11-1 is very much not the opposite of a dictatorship, big clubs Dictate, it’s designed to help out the Big 2 clubs, and give them a majority of power. Can’t understand any supporter of any non-Old Firm team actually agreeing with the 11-1. Its an utter, shambles of a voting system. (Nevertheless on the topic of Reconstruction, it wouldn’t have got though even if the voting system was more fair) but the 11-1 should have been scrapped years ago, I’d imagine most people are pretty united on that front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JagsCG said: The 11-1 is very much not the opposite of a dictatorship, big clubs Dictate, it’s designed to help out the Big 2 clubs, and give them a majority of power. Can’t understand any supporter of any non-Old Firm team actually agreeing with the 11-1. Its an utter, shambles of a voting system. (Nevertheless on the topic of Reconstruction, it wouldn’t have got though even if the voting system was more fair) but the 11-1 should have been scrapped years ago, I’d imagine most people are pretty united on that front. All clubs agreed on the 11-1 voting structure when the SPL and SFL were merged, did they not? Edited June 15, 2020 by The Moonster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 If reconstruction proposals simply needed majority support among the 42 clubs rather than 75% overall with divisional thresholds to be met, every vote that's been held this summer would have gone the same way. 14-10-10-10 would still have had nowhere near enough support and ending the season on PPG with promotion and relegation for sides in automatic places would have passed extremely comfortably with or without Dundee's vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: I think democracy usually means the majority rule. So not sure how 11 of 12 being needed is actual the exact opposite of a dictatorship. But I sure understand why you would think otherwise... 6 minutes ago, JagsCG said: The 11-1 is very much not the opposite of a dictatorship, big clubs Dictate, it’s designed to help out the Big 2 clubs, and give them a majority of power. Can’t understand any supporter of any non-Old Firm team actually agreeing with the 11-1. Its an utter, shambles of a voting system. (Nevertheless on the topic of Reconstruction, it wouldn’t have got though even if the voting system was more fair) but the 11-1 should have been scrapped years ago, I’d imagine most people are pretty united on that front. A dictatorship is a system where a single person or entity can force through changes against the will of the majority. The SPFL could be considered a dictatorship if resolutions like this one could pass on the basis of a small number of influential clubs supporting it, or by an executive decision by the board. Instead, the opposite is true, for a resolution to pass it requires a supermajority of the clubs. Of course, in this vote it wouldn't matter if it was simply majority rule, since the majority of the clubs saw through this tinpot proposal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, The Moonster said: All clubs agreed on the 11-1 voting structure when the SPL and SFL were merged, did they not? It nearly got booted out a few years back, but Aberdeen stood with Celtic. (and Rangers were down the divisions at the time) everyone else was against it i’m sure. The ironic thing is to get rid of it, you need 11-1 voters, so the big 2 like it, therefore we can’t get rid of it, and the one time we could have, because there was no big 2 as Rangers weren’t there, Aberdeen ruined it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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