The SPFL recommendation?

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, embow said:

Cue lawyers for the non promoted clubs rubbing their hands together (after being washed and duly sanitised) in anticipation of a day or three in court.

Why? They have zero case.

1 hour ago, Airdrie76 said:

They still say they do.

Apparently it was a secret enquiry that the clubs weren’t aware of - and where the firm conducting it didn’t actually interview SPFL board members or individual clubs. Strange.

What it did confirm is that a no vote was allowed to be changed. Not surprising given essentially it appears to have been an email trail check that’s been done.

Meanwhile Holland null and void the league, something we were told was absolutely impossible (as impossible as being able to grant loans to the member SPFL clubs it would seem).

What relevance does what the Dutch league do have to the SPFL?

[Rovers_Lad]

2 hours ago, Airdrie76 said:

 

What it did confirm is that a no vote was allowed to be changed. Not surprising given essentially it appears to have been an email trail check that’s been done

 I may have picked it up wrong but on sportsound  last week it was mentioned a no vote is permitted to be changed as per company law

I,ve not a scooby if thats true or not

Edited April 24, 2020 by Rovers_Lad

[Airdrie76]

What relevance does what the Dutch league do have to the SPFL?

Because the stories floating about were saying UEFA wouldn’t allow it. Scotland and Holland are member associations of UEFA.

[haufdaft]

 
 

Has no one posted this yet? Couldn't see it.

 

Friday, 24 April 2020

OPEN LETTER TO ALL SPFL CLUBS, THE MEDIA
AND SUPPORTERS OF SCOTTISH CLUBS

Dear All,

You will all be aware of reports in the press, calling for an independent investigation and for the suspension of SPFL’s chief executive Neil Doncaster and SPFL’s legal counsel Rod McKenzie in relation to the resolution that enabled the payment of nearly £2 million to Championship, League One and League Two clubs.

The focus of the questions raised in the press concerned the events of the evening of Friday 10 April, when Dundee FC attempted to return a voting slip to the SPFL in connection with the resolution.

In order to ensure complete probity and independence during this process, on Thursday 16 April, Deloitte LLP, a leading global provider of audit and assurance services, was appointed by the SPFL’s independent non-executive directors to carry out a comprehensive and independent investigation
into the factual chronology relating to Dundee FC’s return.

Deloitte has completed its forensic investigation and the findings confirm the following sequence of key events on 10 April 2020.

Sequence of key events on 10 April 2020.
1. An SPFL Board Meeting commenced at 17:00 on Friday 10 April 2020. At the start of the meeting 38 returns had been identified as received, and 1 further return was received during
the meeting at 17:10, bringing the total number of returns to 39.
Ladbrokes Premier: 10 returns in favour, 1 against
Ladbrokes Championship: 7 returns in favour, 2 against
Ladbrokes Leagues One and Two: 16 returns in favour, 3 against

It was noted during the meeting that one vote remained outstanding from the Premiership, one from the Championship, and one from Leagues One and Two.

2. The Board meeting concluded at around 17:15.

3. At 17:15, Neil Doncaster called Dundee FC Managing Director, John Nelms, and left a message asking whether Dundee FC intended to submit a return.

4. At 17:39, Neil Doncaster had a conversation with John Nelms and confirmed that as far as he knew, no vote had been returned from Dundee FC. John Nelms thought Dundee FC’s vote may have been returned, but would make enquiries.

5. At 17:50, Eric Drysdale (Dundee FC Club Secretary) spoke to Iain Blair (SPFL’s Company Secretary and Director of Operations) asking whether Dundee FC’s return had been
received. Iain Blair confirmed that it had not.

6. At 18:00, a text was received by Iain Blair, from Eric Drysdale, intimating that the Dundee FC vote should not be considered as cast.

7. At around 20:30, Ian Blair accessed the SPFL’s email quarantine system (which is a feature of the email system operated by a separate third party) at the suggestion of Rod Mackenzie and identified an unread email from Eric Drysdale that had been sent at 16:48 on 10 April 2020. Iain Blair released the quarantined email and it appeared in his SPFL email inbox at 20:55. Prior to identifying the quarantined email at around 20:30, no one from the SPFL had seen the email from Eric Drysdale.

Deloitte’s examination of phone records, mobile communications (including texts) and email data has identified no evidence of improper behaviour by SPFL personnel concerning the submission of the Dundee FC vote.

I hope that Scottish football will now focus on the significant issues that face our game, otherwise many clubs may not survive this period.

We will have to be forward-thinking, and work collegiately to quickly present ideas and proposals to Scottish Government and others which will enable Scottish football to recover and progress.

Make no mistake, this is a critical time for all clubs, and we must concentrate on what is important to the future of our game.

Yours faithfully,

Karyn McCluskey
SPFL Independent Non-Executive Director

For Background
Karyn McCluskey worked in numerous police forces for 23 years, latterly as Head of Intelligence Analysis for Strathclyde Police. She helped set up the international-recognised Scottish Violence Reduction Unit, where she was Director until 2016. She is a Fellow of the Faculty of Public Health. She
sits on the boards of the homeless charity The Simon Community, Medics Against Violence and The Centre for Justice Innovation.

 

 

It's on the official PFC Facebook page. https://tinyurl.com/y9l2szfx

Why was an incomplete vote count released before all had voted?

I think that's an obvious question that there seems to be no answer to in the summary.

Unless of course the SPFL gave the investigation team an extremely narrow remit.

Why would they have such a narrow remit if they've nothing to hide?

[DA Baracus]

28 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:

Because the stories floating about were saying UEFA wouldn’t allow it. Scotland and Holland are member associations of UEFA.

Still irrelevant if they would allow it or not because it was never an option for the SPFL, unless they wanted numerous clubs to die.

[EdinburghBlue]

Sensible decision IMHO. The SPFL should think again in the light of this.

[sirscottyoung]

https://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/sport/football/opinion-spfl-restructure-take-american-approach-they-have-route-66-heres-scotlands-route-44-2547781
Heres the link instead of whatever you were trying to do [emoji14]

Hahaha what is that

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Sensible decision IMHO. The SPFL should think again in the light of this.

No they shouldn't. 

It might make sense in the Dutch leagues but it makes no sense here and would kill a good many clubs.

[RandomGuy.]

10 hours ago, Airdrie76 said:

Because the stories floating about were saying UEFA wouldn’t allow it. Scotland and Holland are member associations of UEFA.

UEFA said two days ago you can end your league early, in whatever way you see fit, without punishment as long as your government has put up restrictions making it impossible to complete the season before it was due to.

The Scottish Government banning mass gatherings falls into that.

Before that UEFA meeting, their advice was to hold off ending top divisions.

It seems like the top flight is just waiting on written confirmation from UEFA they can end and it will be called in the same way as the lower tiers.

[RandomGuy.]

2 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Sensible decision IMHO. The SPFL should think again in the light of this.

Why is Holland more relevant to Scottish football than Belgium?

One has voided the season, one has called it by position.

Being reported English clubs want the season called on average points if they cant complete the season, same with Italy and Spain.

I'm sure they're all clueless imbeciles doing it to screw over Stranraer and Falkirk though.

[EFFC1938]

It should have been declared null and void ages ago! With a quarter of the season still to play absolutely f**k all has been won or lost and there's no chance of football being played soon. Of course teams have voted to benefit themselves, that's life but what a mess the SPFL have made of this! Its actually a complete shambles, Scottish football is a laughing stock.

[bishopburn boy]

12 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Why is Holland more relevant to Scottish football than Belgium?

One has voided the season, one has called it by position.

Being reported English clubs want the season called on average points if they cant complete the season, same with Italy and Spain.

I'm sure they're all clueless imbeciles doing it to screw over Stranraer and Falkirk though.

Nah if we get horsed , it’s our own fault for being mince all season , but the conspiracy theory that uefa  has it in fort the wee toon might just be right .

[Dunning1874]

3 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

Sensible decision IMHO. The SPFL should think again in the light of this.

For all that Stranraer, Falkirk, Partick, Hearts and Rangers fans have complained about the SPFL's handling of the vote which they feel has hurt their club, can you imagine if the SPFL had held a vote between the different options then after the clubs had voted decisively for one option decided to do something else anyway? How much more talk of corruption and self-interest, of the SPFL not being fit for purpose would we be hearing then?

That's what the Dutch did. More clubs voted for going ahead with promotion and relegation on current standings than scrapping promotion and relegation but the governing body overruled them.

[Paco]

On 11/04/2020 at 08:41, EFFC1938 said:

Of course there not but in a few weeks time once the peak is over I'm pretty sure we could at least try and play behind closed doors

 

36 minutes ago, EFFC1938 said:

It should have been declared null and void ages ago!

Life comes at you fast. 

[Monkey Tennis]

43 minutes ago, EFFC1938 said:

 Scottish football is a laughing stock.

Among whom?

[kvz2000]

I can’t understand the desperate rush for the SPFL to take action and why end the lower leagues but keep the option to finish the premier league open , I know they said it was the only way to get money to clubs but we now know that was a lie . What was the rush ?
Holland have made their season null and void while we were told that was not allowed , another lie ? , Germany have their players back training with a view to getting matches started in a few weeks , England now talking about games played behind closed doors and shown on telly . The SPFL have made a laughing stock of the way things have been handled and their own enquiry has not helped only making their handling even more suspicious as no mention of leaking how clubs voted before all votes were in , the false info given re the release of money to clubs , the lost NO vote which was then allowed to be change etc etc yet their enquiry said all was in order .

[RandomGuy.]

8 minutes ago, kvz2000 said:

the lost NO vote which was then allowed to be change etc etc yet their enquiry said all was in order .

Every club, including Falkirk, knew before the vote that "No" votes could be changed for up to 28 days after the slips were handed in.

No club, including Falkirk, complained about that at the time.

This wasnt some SPFL ruse, they put it in the rules, to every club, before the vote even happened. Struggling like f**k to understand why clubs waited until after they had voted to then complain about the system. Every single club had 28 days to vote.

[Sergeant Wilson]

17 minutes ago, kvz2000 said:

I can’t understand the desperate rush for the SPFL to take action and why end the lower leagues but keep the option to finish the premier league open , I know they said it was the only way to get money to clubs but we now know that was a lie . What was the rush ?
Holland have made their season null and void while we were told that was not allowed , another lie ? , Germany have their players back training with a view to getting matches started in a few weeks , England now talking about games played behind closed doors and shown on telly . The SPFL have made a laughing stock of the way things have been handled and their own enquiry has not helped only making their handling even more suspicious as no mention of leaking how clubs voted before all votes were in , the false info given re the release of money to clubs , the lost NO vote which was then allowed to be change etc etc yet their enquiry said all was in order .

You not getting all the logistical and financial issues between finishing fully professional leagues with tv contracts and part time lower division clubs doesn't excuse the SPFL action, but it doesn't mean your arguments are valid either.

Lower division clubs need gate money from people attending games. People aren't allowed to attend games for a while yet. The divisions proposing restarting are able to play without, or with very few spectators.

[Broken Algorithms]

Enjoying RandomGuy, a supporter of a club who haven't benefited as of yet, utterly dismantling the arguments of fans who seem blinded to the fact there was no chance the league's could continue and that this was the decision of an overwhelming majority.

[RavyDavy]

Just seen the response from Auchinleck Juniors ( as good a team as some championship clubs ) hats of to them and the way others in the professional should approach the league close down , they will NOT celebrated and not happy with being awarded champions on a point by game basis ......and they do NOT consider themselves champions ....... might be the case because they are a successful team in their own right unlike Raith who are desperate to call themselves champions as it’s unlikely to ever happen again ....Well Done Auchinleck.....

Enjoy your night mate...[emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]