roman_bairn Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Thistle have just confirmed that they are NOT taking legal action.Perhaps they believe reconstruction will happen?… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: Thistle have just confirmed that they are NOT taking legal action. Perhaps they believe reconstruction will happen?… That's what I took from it, the statement was far too nice after what's just happened to them! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, roman_bairn said: Thistle have just confirmed that they are NOT taking legal action. Perhaps they believe reconstruction will happen?… You wonder what the whole point of suggesting it in the first place was. If you threaten it then fire ahead. Dont then roll over and say aye ok then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 You've got teams playing each other twice, then splitting into groups of four and playing each other twice, to prevent sides playing clubs four times a season. And a proposal that could see a team finish 4th, 10pts off the title, and miss out on Europe as the 9th placed team gets it. You realise how ridiculous that sounds?What’s the incentive for making the top 4? If the top three are all well clear your better chucking a few games to be 5th before the split as if your 4th there’s no European spot.Plus there is plenty of evidence of horrific results (Kilmarnock this season) when we put forward our best 4 sides to Europe. It would be far worse if we reward weaker sides, that’s why we stopped cup runners up from qualifying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOFOREVER Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Which ever way any of us preferred it to go it now looks, barring litigation, that the 2019/20 season is ended so we move on to the what’s next. In that respect I think Stranraer and Partick Thistle have been dealt with unfairly, or shafted by most of the other 40 if you want to put it that way. Ok Stranny look like they were gonna be relegated anyway but with quarter of the season to go it was not a certainty. Plastic Whistle on the other hand have clearly been shafted by the decision. Others can also claim they have been shafted such as those in the HL and LL plus probably Falkirk in L1 who could realistically have overtaken Raith Rovers. BUT if there is still a chance to put a bit of justice into it those things can still be put right by league re-organisation whether temporarily or longer. A 14 – 18 -18 set up might be worth thinking about. Hearts stay up and Dundee United and one other go to the Premiership, say ICT. The 18 Championship clubs would be the remaining 8 plus the 10 L1 clubs. The third tier would be the present L2 clubs plus 8 from the HL/LL. Championship Third tier Dundee Raith Rovers Cove Rangers Kelty Ayr United Falkirk Edinburgh City Brora Dunfermline Airdrie Elgin City Bonnyrigg Arbroath Montrose Cowdenbeath Fraserburgh Morton East Fife Queen’s Park Inverurie Alloa Dumbarton Stirling Albion East Stirling QoS Clyde Annan Athletic + 2 others ** Partick Thistle Peterhead Stenhousemuir Forfar Albion Rovers Stranraer Brechin City ** provided those and any others from the HL/LL want to come into the SPFL. Brora might not for example as when Montrose played them a few years back loads of people said they didn’t try! This would solve it for Hearts and Stranraer who should not be relegated several games short of what was agreed last August. It also solves it for Kelty and Brora plus Falkirk and ICT. It doesn’t help Cove Rangers who would argue they are been done out of promotion and I accept that argument. The Premiership can sort out their fixtures however they want to or are dictated to be the TV companies. The Championship and Third tiers play each other home and away once only so 34 games plus play-offs which could be enlarged so more clubs play 36 games or more. The third tier could even be regionalised to help clubs like Annan and Brora who have most way to travel and the play-offs would not be regionalised. Yes, I know there will be a lot of meaningless games mid table towards end of season but by tiering the play-offs better/bigger it could avoid a lot of that so that even clubs mid-table who have got on a roll can even still have an outside chance. The other benefit of having a bigger Premiership is that there are more players actually playing at the top level and that can only be better long term for the national side – or are we not bothered about that? If this is worth thinking about it might also let us find out how many other clubs really aspire to be in the SPFL and who have facilities good enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The league 1 & 2 clubs already get a pittance of prize money. Nobody will vote in favour of diluting that even further by promoting another 8 clubs.The only realistic reconstruction is 14-10-10-10 but even then will be hard pushed to get the premiership to agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorge Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) I dread to think how much horse-trading is going on right now that we are unaware of. If Thistle, with an actual lawyer high up in their ranks reckons litigation isn't worth it, then legal action is a bogey now IMO. My utopia at this point would be 18 premiership,18 championship, then split the pyramid into WOS/EOS/Highland. (existing SOS slotting further down the WOS structure.) This country is too small for more than two 'pro' leagues, and given the economic wind most lower league clubs are likely to be pissing into, the regionalisation is probably more helpful than harmful at this point. Tell Sky to f**k their 4 bigotfests, we managed happily for four years without any, and two less games against 'the house' gives other clubs a slightly, slightly better chance of doing a Leicester and keeping them out over 34 games. It won't happen, but it's a nice thought........ Edited April 16, 2020 by Scorge 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, Jack Burton said: The league 1 & 2 clubs already get a pittance of prize money. Nobody will vote in favour of diluting that even further by promoting another 8 clubs. The only realistic reconstruction is 14-10-10-10 but even then will be hard pushed to get the premiership to agree. Key to it was in the evening times last week where Doncaster was meant to be having talks with Kelty and Brora about adding an extra couple of teams to the SPFL and it looks like this might be the only reconstruction option open 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Thistle have just confirmed that they are NOT taking legal action.Perhaps they believe reconstruction will happen?…Utter disgrace from the team that used to be seen as the good guys in Glasgow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, haufdaft said: She's not interested in the betterment of Scottish football only the wellbeing of Hearts. The SPFL know that. That is why she's been selected, to mollify her and get back to a 12 team premier League asap. Where did I say otherwise? In fact I said as much that her role is pre-defined. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Utter disgrace from the team that used to be seen as the good guys in Glasgow. Every team is in it for themselves. No point in picking any one team out in particular... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Ecosse83 said: That's what I took from it, the statement was far too nice after what's just happened to them! Either that or they recognise the cost and that given the votes of the majority they wouldn’t win a legal battle.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specky Ginger Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 37 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said: Utter disgrace from the team that used to be seen as the good guys in Glasgow. They've obviously backed down as they've been tipped the wink that there's going to be no relegation. That saves Stranraer as well. Imperfect though it is, and much as I'll miss the seethe from Hearts and McCall, it's probably the solution that does the least amount of damage to the least amount of clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 35 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said: Utter disgrace from the team that used to be seen as the good guys in Glasgow. Why? They probably still think they are right but will have decided on the basis a) they might lose & b) a challenge will delay things further in terms of any outcome and the release of money. Could everyone agree that the next time they come up with a reconstruction proposal they delay posting it until they consider some practical issues. Number of games, distribution of limited finances, tv and sponsorship demands etc. Like it or not these are factors the SPFL will need to address. It would help to stop clogging up the thread with every brain fart, number wang permutation that escapes your excuse for a brain from stabbing me in the eyes. Thank you. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The problem with the legal challenge anyway is it not the SPFL that deem if there is a case for it to be made or not so for them to say they were in the wrong just isnt going to happen and any loophole showing a flaw in the process will be closed. Your asking them to admit they f**ked it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, AL-FFC said: The problem with the legal challenge anyway is it not the SPFL that deem if there is a case for it to be made or not so for them to say they were in the wrong just isnt going to happen and any loophole showing a flaw in the process will be closed. Your asking them to admit they f**ked it. No, the legal challenge, had it gone ahead, would have asked a court to decide if the SPFL has broken its own rules. Unless the SPFL reacted to the challenge by admitting their error, but they didn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Just reading there if the reconstruction is to go ahead it needs an 11-1 approval from the premiership and a 75 per cent from the lower leagues, i dont doubt the 75 per cent will go ahead but the 11-1 is anyones guess, or maybe not see Ayr chairman is voting against a 14 team premiership as it is only to appease Hearts and Partick. Edited April 16, 2020 by AL-FFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Gringo Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It would help to stop clogging up the thread with every brain fart, number wang permutation that escapes your excuse for a brain from stabbing me in the eyes. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: No, the legal challenge, had it gone ahead, would have asked a court to decide if the SPFL has broken its own rules. Unless the SPFL reacted to the challenge by admitting their error, but they didn't. Last time we tried it, 2004, the court said it was a sporting matter and sent it back to the football authorities. Once bitten, twice shy yadda yadda, imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ecosse83 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, AL-FFC said: Just reading there if the reconstruction is to go ahead it needs an 11-1 approval from the premiership and a 75 per cent from the lower leagues, i dont doubt the 75 per cent will go ahead but the 11-1 is anyones guess, or maybe not see Ayr chairman is voting against a 14 team premiership as it is only to appease Hearts and Partick. Yep he was all high and mighty a few days ago now something isn't suiting him the toys are out the pram. Wonder what he would say if Ayr were currently 2nd! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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