The SPFL recommendation?

[DA Baracus]

41 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Partick have already stated they wont be voting in favour of calling an end to the season you have 3 clubs in play off spots so theres your 75 per cent of each league to vote in favour gone out the window then you have Stranraer to accept relegation and anyone of Montrose, Falkirk, East Fife and Airdrie to ignore any play off or indeed League Winners so thats league one voting against it

and with the reconstruction is it a precondition for accepting the league table as they stand.

Ayr have said they'll vote for it.

7 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

I'm actually now of the opinion that I'll be surprised to see any football played this year. That being the case I would just forget about 20/21 altogether. Finish this season in the first half of 2021 and then start afresh with 2021/22. No point trying to shoehorn a whole season into 5 or 6 months.

Resuming this season in 2021 when teams will have totally different squads is hugely unfair as well. What's to stop Falkirk offering some out of contract former Raith players more wages and signing them, thus weakening Raith at the same time?

Some teams will most likely struggle to even assemble a squad at that time given they will have gone almost 9 months without the majority of their income streams. Some clubs might not make it that far.

[RandomGuy.]

26 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Why does the whole prize money  thing seem to rely on a yes vote. Noone has given any reason why at least some of the prize money cant be given out now to allow more time to discuss reconstruction and other ways forward.  Then you can have a definitive vote once reconstruction and the premier league situation is clarified. Clubs are then not being blackmailed into making a decision.

They have given some prize money out? In the Premiership an initial amount is already out.

Clubs need to know what's happening. The majority will lose most of their players at the end of next month.

What do they do? Extend all these contracts until the end of the calendar year? Make new signings? Do nothing as theres a chance there wont be football until 2021? 

[AL-FFC]

Prize money based on standings

Ladbrokes League 1    
1st - 0.50% - £125,000 
2nd - 0.43% - £107,500 
3rd - 0.35% - £87,500 
4th - 0.34% - £85,000 
5th - 0.33% - £82,500 
6th - 0.32% - £80,000 
7th - 0.31% - £77,500 
8th - 0.30% - £75,000 
9th - 0.29% - £72,500 
10th - 0.28% - £70,000 

[Shadwell Dog]

Just now, DA Baracus said:

Ayr have said they'll vote for it.

Resuming this season in 2021 when teams will have totally different squads is hugely unfair as well. What's to stop Falkirk offering some out of contract former Raith players more wages and signing them, thus weakening Raith at the same time?

Some teams will most likely struggle to even assemble a squad at that time given they will have gone almost 9 months without the majority of their income streams. Some clubs might not make it that far.

Not surprised at ayr. Probably more chance of them falling out of the playoff spot than having a chance at promotion. Better for them to take the cash on offer the now. 

I'm just not sure how we would start a season.in january and have it finished in time to start another in the summer.

[AL-FFC]

5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Ayr have said they'll vote for it.

Resuming this season in 2021 when teams will have totally different squads is hugely unfair as well. What's to stop Falkirk offering some out of contract former Raith players more wages and signing them, thus weakening Raith at the same time?

Some teams will most likely struggle to even assemble a squad at that time given they will have gone almost 9 months without the majority of their income streams. Some clubs might not make it that far.

just read the article on it he seems very sceptical about it and said the fairest thing would be to null and void the season but the SPFL have put out guidance and he makes a point of being wary about it:

"All of this assumes you believe what the SPFL are saying in this paper is true of course.

 

[Wee Sandy]

IF this impasse continues we may not have a CLUB to follow by the end of May, in spite of the £50,000 raised.

I am sure we (RRFC) may not  be the only one.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Wee Sandy

[Skinheed]

43 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

I would say those to vote against it would be as follows:

League 1: East Fife, Falkirk, Montrose, Airdrie and Stranraer

league 2:  Elgin City, Edinburgh City, Cowdenbeath,  Queens Park and brechin

all teams in play off spots or chance of play off  and relegation positions.

Bet ye they don't.

[Shadwell Dog]

11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

They have given some prize money out? In the Premiership an initial amount is already out.

Clubs need to know what's happening. The majority will lose most of their players at the end of next month.

What do they do? Extend all these contracts until the end of the calendar year? Make new signings? Do nothing as theres a chance there wont be football until 2021? 

Most players contracts dont run out till the end of June.  Season normally doesnt finish till may.  Theres no need to decide on this for at least another month minimum.  Pay out the minimum prize money per league and then thrash out a more concrete plan over the next month and a half.  Probably more chance of the vote going through if clubs know what exactly is on the table instead of some mythical idea about reconstruction.

Edited April 8, 2020 by Shadwell Dog

[Shadwell Dog]

19 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Prize money based on standings

Ladbrokes League 1    
1st - 0.50% - £125,000 
2nd - 0.43% - £107,500 
3rd - 0.35% - £87,500 
4th - 0.34% - £85,000 
5th - 0.33% - £82,500 
6th - 0.32% - £80,000 
7th - 0.31% - £77,500 
8th - 0.30% - £75,000 
9th - 0.29% - £72,500 
10th - 0.28% - £70,000 

So give everyone 70k the now whilst a more concrete proposal is thrashed out.  

[DA Baracus]

Haven't the clubs being discussing this for a while now though? They must have been if it's now being put to a vote. It's not like they've just come up with this last minute.

[RandomGuy.]

19 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

Most players contracts dont run out till the end of June.  Season normally doesnt finish till may.  Theres no need to decide on this for at least another month minimum.  Pay out the minimum prize money per league and then thrash out a more concrete plan over the next month and a half.  Probably more chance of the vote going through if clubs know what exactly is on the table instead of some mythical idea about reconstruction.

Reconstruction isnt on the table, it's only you who's bizarrely latching onto that. It was simply added to cover themselves if teams like Hearts succeed with a legal challenge.

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Haven't the clubs being discussing this for a while now though? They must have been if it's now being put to a vote. It's not like they've just come up with this last minute.

Meetings have been postponed at least twice and the way clubs are coming up with alternatives now would say to me theres been little proper discussion on this outwith the spfl board themselves who proposed the whole thing. Reconstruction idea seems to have very little form to it as well at the moment so needs far more discussion.  Some clubs are that desperate for cash let's face it they'll vote for anything to get it at the moment.

[Shadwell Dog]

1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:

Reconstruction isnt on the table, it's only you who's bizarrely latching onto that. It was simply added to cover themselves if teams like Hearts succeed with a legal challenge.

Exactly why clubs should hold out then.  If the spfl are bluffing about reconstruction then clubs should push for prize money just now but no vote till league reconstruction is confirmed. As hearts, rangers and partick have said there is no reason for prize money to be  dependant on a yes vote.  To me I would be very surprised if this vote goes through if league reconstruction is as u say not on the table at all.

[AL-FFC]

Thing is even with reconstruction its got to be put to a vote and with an 11 to 1 voting structure thats never going to go through either well not for the Premiership its what it means for clubs outwith the premiership how much of a shafting do they have to take.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

19 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Haven't the clubs being discussing this for a while now though? They must have been if it's now being put to a vote. It's not like they've just come up with this last minute.

There was a video conference this afternoon,  see @CCP_sport on Twitter 

[Shadwell Dog]

2 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

Thing is even with reconstruction its got to be put to a vote and with an 11 to 1 voting structure thats never going to go through either well not for the Premiership its what it means for clubs outwith the premiership how much of a shafting do they have to take.

The smaller clubs actually have a wee bit of power here for a change especially when the top flight aren't all singing from the same hymn book for the moment. Time for some to have some balls instead of rolling over and having their tummies tickled as usual.

[DA Baracus]

2 minutes ago, Shadwell Dog said:

The smaller clubs actually have a wee bit of power here for a change especially when the top flight aren't all singing from the same hymn book for the moment. Time for some to have some balls instead of rolling over and having their tummies tickled as usual.

They don't have any power here when their very existence is under threat.

Folk don't seem to be grasping how precarious things are for many clubs.

[AL-FFC]

1 minute ago, Shadwell Dog said:

The smaller clubs actually have a wee bit of power here for a change especially when the top flight aren't all singing from the same hymn book for the moment. Time for some to have some balls instead of rolling over and having their tummies tickled as usual.

if its Gordon Smiths proposal that really will f**k a lot of clubs as your chances of promotion to any league is slim which really begs the question whats the point in having a football club when the chance to be promoted is slim to nil who wants to win the league to go to a play off to decide if you get promoted or not.

[Shadwell Dog]

Just now, DA Baracus said:

They don't have any power here when their very existence is under threat.

Folk don't seem to be grasping how precarious things are for many clubs.

That's why they should be sticking together and along with the likes of rangers, partick and hearts saying give us prize money now and then let's talk. Better than risking a vote the now and no winning. Then still no prize money.

[AL-FFC]

1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:

They don't have any power here when their very existence is under threat.

Folk don't seem to be grasping how precarious things are for many clubs.

I think thats the point that Sevco and Ann Budge are making though this whole prize money thing is going with preconditions, the govt are helping businesses out yet the SPFL are doing nothing to help any club.  Appreciate that Sevco and Budge both have their own clubs vested interests in rejecting it but the same time they make a valid argument.  To say we will look at league reconstruction options they obviously have a plan its just how do they get the member clubs to vote in favour of it.  Celtic wont reconstruct the league and any league reconstruction that doesnt give 4 OF games a year isnt going to go ahead unless they come up with a split system again (which is in Smiths proporals)