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Many things, big and small, will surely change due to virus. Once it is under control and we can all fire about how we please again and folk are going back to work, what do you think will be different?

This is the thread to discuss such things.

I think we'll really start to move away from physical cash, with more and more places not just offering contactless but encouraging it. At the moment we're being asked to do as many things via contactless as we can. Many customers and businesses will realise that it's just a better way of doing things. It may speed up the eventual obsolescence of physical money.

I think we could also see many businesses realise that they do not need such a big office space and that they could easily increase remote working, and possibly see the benefits of it. Many folk would really benefit from being able to work from home when needed, such as those with childcare issues. Folk like me would like even a day a week out of the office. It just breaks up the monotony. Unfortunately this will take longer as far too many businesses are still stuck in victorian ways of working in terms of Mon-Fri 9-5, and there are too many moron managers around who can't handle it.

Hopefully more folk will wash their hands more often! I have my doubts about this one. Sadly I think the disgusting scumbags who didn't wash their hands regularly, especially after going to the toilet, will return to that once they feel everything is back to normal.

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19 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Many things, big and small, will surely change due to virus. Once it is under control and we can all fire about how we please again and folk are going back to work, what do you think will be different?

This is the thread to discuss such things.

I think we'll really start to move away from physical cash, with more and more places not just offering contactless but encouraging it. At the moment we're being asked to do as many things via contactless as we can. Many customers and businesses will realise that it's just a better way of doing things. It may speed up the eventual obsolescence of physical money.

I think we could also see many businesses realise that they do not need such a big office space and that they could easily increase remote working, and possibly see the benefits of it. Many folk would really benefit from being able to work from home when needed, such as those with childcare issues. Folk like me would like even a day a week out of the office. It just breaks up the monotony. Unfortunately this will take longer as far too many businesses are still stuck in victorian ways of working in terms of Mon-Fri 9-5, and there are too many moron managers around who can't handle it.

Hopefully more folk will wash their hands more often! I have my doubts about this one. Sadly I think the disgusting scumbags who didn't wash their hands regularly, especially after going to the toilet, will return to that once they feel everything is back to normal.

Correct. Too many halfwits who believe that working from home = not being productive.

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31 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Correct. Too many halfwits who believe that working from home = not being productive.

Yup. I'm actually more productive working at home just now. In the office I often have to stretch out tasks so that it looks like I'm always doing something. At home I get things done much quicker as there's no one there to look over my shoulder meaning I don't need to stretch things out. 

Office work in general is usually unproductive for that reason. I've seen it across many offices and many colleagues.

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This is an excellent opportunity for those who are getting paid but are at home, to learn a new skill or work on creating their own bit of self employed work. It's unlikely they'll get another chance.

I think we'll therefore see an increase in self employment and a massive swathe of people changing jobs to do things they actually like. If this catastrophe hasn't taught us that it's not worth putting up with a shite job then nothing will. Many will realise they can live on far less than they think and perhaps will give up their jobs and rely on a single earner in the family.

I also think there will be mass redundancies as customers stop buying as much as before for fear of a repeat cycle.

Many, many companies will simply not survive this. Not even with 80% of wages being paid because often that's not the only major cost to a company.

I think we'll see an increase in environmental awareness and demands from people who are tired of this thing we have of chasing money for money's sake.

Taxes will have to go up substantially.

I suspect the obesity crisis will be dealt with as people start cycling and walking more.

Once it's over there will be an overwhelming desire for people to get away from social media and do more sports, engage in more genuinely social activities and other "experiences". Companies offering those sorts of services will be the big winners.

I think this will finally kill off the high street as we know it and we'll see a transformation from shops to flats with surrounding cafes, restaurants and other social type outlets.

And I hope like f**k that we see the end of mass social media as people realise what they have been missing over the next few months and actually start meeting people.

That's the main things I can think of right now.

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1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

Many things, big and small, will surely change due to virus. Once it is under control and we can all fire about how we please again and folk are going back to work, what do you think will be different?

This is the thread to discuss such things.

I think we'll really start to move away from physical cash, with more and more places not just offering contactless but encouraging it. At the moment we're being asked to do as many things via contactless as we can. Many customers and businesses will realise that it's just a better way of doing things. It may speed up the eventual obsolescence of physical money.

I think we could also see many businesses realise that they do not need such a big office space and that they could easily increase remote working, and possibly see the benefits of it. Many folk would really benefit from being able to work from home when needed, such as those with childcare issues. Folk like me would like even a day a week out of the office. It just breaks up the monotony. Unfortunately this will take longer as far too many businesses are still stuck in victorian ways of working in terms of Mon-Fri 9-5, and there are too many moron managers around who can't handle it.

Hopefully more folk will wash their hands more often! I have my doubts about this one. Sadly I think the disgusting scumbags who didn't wash their hands regularly, especially after going to the toilet, will return to that once they feel everything is back to normal.

They might realise they don't need such a big workforce, either.

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1 hour ago, DA Baracus said:

Many things, big and small, will surely change due to virus. Once it is under control and we can all fire about how we please again and folk are going back to work, what do you think will be different?

This is the thread to discuss such things.

I think we'll really start to move away from physical cash, with more and more places not just offering contactless but encouraging it. At the moment we're being asked to do as many things via contactless as we can. Many customers and businesses will realise that it's just a better way of doing things. It may speed up the eventual obsolescence of physical money.

I think we could also see many businesses realise that they do not need such a big office space and that they could easily increase remote working, and possibly see the benefits of it. Many folk would really benefit from being able to work from home when needed, such as those with childcare issues. Folk like me would like even a day a week out of the office. It just breaks up the monotony. Unfortunately this will take longer as far too many businesses are still stuck in victorian ways of working in terms of Mon-Fri 9-5, and there are too many moron managers around who can't handle it.

Hopefully more folk will wash their hands more often! I have my doubts about this one. Sadly I think the disgusting scumbags who didn't wash their hands regularly, especially after going to the toilet, will return to that once they feel everything is back to normal.

Here's a copy of the new legislation....

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Nothing will change. The rich will get richer, the poor will get poorer and stupid people will still be stupid and be in the majority.

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Greenied for a great topic!

Have been following this from the very start. Singapore were the first country to start screening entries from Wuhan on the 1st January and have been one step ahead ever since. This was due to the serious impact of SARs in the country. They created a blueprint for such and eventuality and effected it immediately. A lot of countries should take note for the future.

I have been saying since January, (all below emphasising: IMO) the economic impact will be much bigger than the health issue and all the panic that is about worldwide will prove to be our financial undoing. This is not to say we shouldn't panic, but as a collective we need to remember this is not a major killer but a hinderance, (I know that sounds cold for anyone who loses a loved one and I have family who 100% would not survive if they caught it).

Places like the imperial college and all this experts (who are doing a great job), will end up being scapegoats when it is realised this is what it truly is and be blamed for the causing a huge 'over-reaction' (not saying it completely is).

All the healthworkers will get f**k all for the immense service that they are doing now shortly down the line.

Supermarkets will restructure and pay off more people than they are currently employing.

With that I have been following and reading as many views of economists. Frankly no one can agree on the whole picture. However all agree global recession, Europe will be much poorer and profitability of companies will be much less. The rise of protectionism against globalism will accelerate.

There is expectation of destabilised governments and the loss of many companies.

For myself (and a lot is speculation) I am quite sure companies will diversify their supply chain, invest heavily in Robotics/AI/algorithms to manage business that will see a huge demand and up surge in those markets. This will allow companies to streamline their supply chains and position their factories either closer to their market or the raw materials and less reliance on low cost economies.

This will not necessarily benefit individuals as robotics will do a lot of manufacturing (this was always going to happen, but much quicker now).

There will be a (sometimes forced) stigma and on China that will effect their economy and put pressure on the government. However, China has enough of a middle class now and invested heavily globally to remain a 'superpower' aided with the decline of other supposed superpowers.

With a decline in globalisation, there will be less room for global companies and that and redundancies and enforced working from home, will see a rise of more smaller 'cottage industries'. More self employed and small business.

There will be a bigger drive on virtual banking and a move away from cash and even cards. A lot of transactions will be done with phones and other electronics.

UBI has a realistic chance of taking hold.

There is an opportunity to destroy private healthcare and a rise in public healthcare.

Air travel may take a very long time to recover and without serious investment (cash and technology) it will struggle to get back to the growth trajectory it has had. This may lead to the rise of HSR everywhere and other green travel methods.

Cruises will be as popular as a peado in a playground and these mega ships may have had their time.

More places will apply ethical tourism limiting tourists and driving up costs.

There are so many possibilities and all revolves how people react in a long time.

Two things for sure:

This is a huge opportunity for a lot of people and the world will never be the same again.

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The impact on education is going to be interesting to see. Everyone I know who works anywhere near education has their own view on whether remote learning could or should ever become the norm, what we have at the moment is a forced experiment that will tell us a lot more about that than we could ever have hoped to find out in normal times.

A lot of universities, colleges, private schools, language schools, etc have moved or are moving online for the next while and it will give us a better picture of whether and how that works than we could ever have hoped to see otherwise.

It could lead to the scaling back of on-site education. It could lead to lessening the lack of acceptance in some places of distance learning and this would be a great thing as it would open up greater opportunities for people who would like to improve their education and their lot in life but cannot afford to give up work and physically attend somewhere.

I know distance degrees exist, but in many industries and in some countries they are still very much looked down on. This might change that.

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Movie studios will release films straight to streaming, probably at same time they are in the cinema.

More high street restaurants offering delivery services.

Delivery companies won't bother asking for signatures again.  It will probably now be the last time you actually use your signature, unless you are a footballer asked to sign a shirt for charity.

Weird 'self isolation porn' will appear on search results on free porn sites for year to come, pardon the pun.

 

 

 

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The impact on education is going to be interesting to see. Everyone I know who works anywhere near education has their own view on whether remote learning could or should ever become the norm, what we have at the moment is a forced experiment that will tell us a lot more about that than we could ever have hoped to find out in normal times.
A lot of universities, colleges, private schools, language schools, etc have moved or are moving online for the next while and it will give us a better picture of whether and how that works than we could ever have hoped to see otherwise.
It could lead to the scaling back of on-site education. It could lead to lessening the lack of acceptance in some places of distance learning and this would be a great thing as it would open up greater opportunities for people who would like to improve their education and their lot in life but cannot afford to give up work and physically attend somewhere.
I know distance degrees exist, but in many industries and in some countries they are still very much looked down on. This might change that.


I'm not involved in education but have my young daughter at kindergarten at one of the International schools here in Singapore. They are already very much structured around the use of ipads and computers and during the holidays gave every child an iPad to continue their work. It would seem the natural progression of things.

I was involved before in teaching TEFL and several years ago a friend who had his adult children teaching in that environment set up a business with them to create a web structure for remote teaching.

Things like this and the things I mentioned above, I believe we're always going to happen. CoVID-19 is a huge accelerator of these things.

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19 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said:

Things like this and the things I mentioned above, I believe we're always going to happen. CoVID-19 is a huge accelerator of these things.

 

I'd agree it was always likely, but not quite inevitable.

For example, there are still countries who don't recognise distance degrees for work permits and there has been a lot of push-back from lecturers (obviously), some of which has grounding in common sense.

This might give people the opportunity to objectively settle what have only been hypothetical disputes up to now in terms of learning outcomes.

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I'd agree it was always likely, but not quite inevitable.
For example, there are still countries who don't recognise distance degrees for work permits and there has been a lot of push-back from lecturers (obviously), some of which has grounding in common sense.
This might give people the opportunity to objectively settle what have only been hypothetical disputes up to now in terms of learning outcomes.


Yes no doubt that there is still a lot of water to go under the bridge, but looks inevitable, at least in the more developed world.

That leads to another point. Some countries and regions are going to be left well behind in all this change.

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It will be interesting to see the impact on the use of big data coming from this.

Obviously China has moved ahead with use of smart phones to track the virus, and I know South Korea has been doing something similar.

However, there is clearly the scope for the influence of data to go much, much further and a huge global incident like this may be the 'Pearl Harbor' for the justification of the surrendering of privacy.

I read a couple of years ago of a study that used back-dated internet searches to identify common early-warning online searches by people who had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. This allowed certain early signs to be identified and a number of early cases to be predicted, doubling the (admittedly low) chances of survival for those patients.

I'd imagine similar could be done with other cancers, heart attacks, suicides, domestic abuse etc.

Covid-19 is an event that may create the conditions that make it much easier to argue in favour of that kind of monitoring being used to protect public health.

For example, how grateful would governments be at the moment for instant alerts every time somebody Googles 'I've got a cough and a high fever'? Would that be a public good?

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3 minutes ago, Tight John McVeigh is a tit said:

That leads to another point. Some countries and regions are going to be left well behind in all this change.

Yes. We're certainly going to see where the vision in global leadership lies in the coming years. It'll be interesting to see the extent to which governments bring in big tech companies to run things for them.

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It will be interesting to see the impact on the use of big data coming from this.
Obviously China has moved ahead with use of smart phones to track the virus, and I know South Korea has been doing something similar.
However, there is clearly the scope for the influence of data to go much, much further and a huge global incident like this may be the 'Pearl Harbor' for the justification of the surrendering of privacy.
I read a couple of years ago of a study that used back-dated internet searches to identify common early-warning online searches by people who had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. This allowed certain early signs to be identified and a number of early cases to be predicted, doubling the (admittedly low) chances of survival for those patients.
I'd imagine similar could be done with other cancers, heart attacks, suicides, domestic abuse etc.
Covid-19 is an event that may create the conditions that make it much easier to argue in favour of that kind of monitoring being used to protect public health.
For example, how grateful would governments be at the moment for instant alerts every time somebody Googles 'I've got a cough and a high fever'? Would that be a public good?


Singapore have raised their 'contact teams' from 3 to 20 and developed an app that can be used to near instantly point to potential contacts. The big difference is Singapore is generally compliant and trusting of the government, so most will download the app. I am sure in some countries they would be a lot of distrust of something like this and seen as an infringement (and in some countries, this will probably have some justification). However it is coming.

Big data and algorithms are already used widely and getting more and more mainstream.


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I think the Tories will try again to do a "we're all in this together" shoulder-to-the-wheel-get-the-country-moving thing again and all the Facebook Das who were in the pub last Friday and the Lake District on Saturday will support it.

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Income tax will go up around 8%  plus  .

NHS will be a priority for more funding .

People will moan about everything having to be paid for .

 

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