L. Brilliant Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 SPFL rules are pretty clear that whoever is too when the music stops are champions. So Rovers will win the league and go up, but everything else is less straightforward. You can't just promote the second places teams, it's daft. If anything like that is to happen, everyone who would have qualified for playoffs should go up. 16 (keep split) 10 10 10 or north south Just for one year if necessary, but that's the only 'no losers' scenario imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, L. Brilliant said: SPFL rules are pretty clear that whoever is too when the music stops are champions. What rule clearly states this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirscottyoung Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward.Thought about a full change14 team leagues x 3Then the Highland and lowland.Then the Eos, wos, sos etcDo a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm....Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues.Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ymscorer Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, sirscottyoung said: Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward. Thought about a full change 14 team leagues x 3 Then the Highland and lowland. Then the Eos, wos, sos etc Do a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm.... Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues. Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ymscorer Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, sirscottyoung said: Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward. Thought about a full change 14 team leagues x 3 Then the Highland and lowland. Then the Eos, wos, sos etc Do a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm.... Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues. Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. Sound pretty good to me sir. Probably too simple and straightforward to be adopted ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazz1903 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 hours ago, The Moonster said: What rule clearly states this? Just Raith fans desperate to get promotion . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirscottyoung Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Sound pretty good to me sir. Probably too simple and straightforward to be adopted !Cheers. Yeah felt it would be liked by all to be fair. Nobody at all losing out.Also means the pyramid is held together better than currently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward.Thought about a full change14 team leagues x 3Then the Highland and lowland.Then the Eos, wos, sos etcDo a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm....Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues.Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only.7 team split means one team sitting it out every matchday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirscottyoung Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 7 team split means one team sitting it out every matchday.Yup and as there is an extra 4 match days needed with 40 games means that the 4 midweek games needed someone takes a turn each week to sit a game out therefore not tiring the teams out as many are part time [emoji4] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Brilliant Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, The Moonster said: What rule clearly states this? A4 Definitions ('season') C38 Champion Clubs https://spfl.co.uk/pages/rules-and-regulations Edited March 29, 2020 by L. Brilliant Add link 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, tazz1903 said: Just Raith fans desperate to get promotion . I knew you’d be back wee one soon as the schools were shut. The prospect of Rovers winning the flag and leaving you alone in the seaside league is clearly eating you up. I see Mr Young has even devised a cunning ploy to rejig the leagues too, will let’s face it it’s the only way EFFC would ever Manage to get promoted. Having said that I’d buy into the idea of those bigger leagues in a heartbeat but I’d doubt others will and it’s their votes that count not ours, they’d see it as too much of a return to the system that they didn’t like before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, L. Brilliant said: A4 Definitions ('season') C38 Champion Clubs https://spfl.co.uk/pages/rules-and-regulations Nope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Most clubs will be desperate for some kind of update and clarity, and the problem is nobody has any idea how long this situation will last. My totally uninformed gut feeling is.... - The league won't be finished 'naturally'. Would cause chaos trying to structure next season, especially if we are looking at 6 months minimum before we can even think about football again. - I don't think the new season will start with the same teams in the same leagues. I think either they will call the leagues as is, or put some kind of reconstruction in place. I'd guess they will try and honour the relatively cut and dried Championship and League 2 title races in some creative fashion whilst trying not to relegate anyone. Still leaves the question of Premiership title though, which will be very interesting. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see us copy whatever England do. It would be good to see some clarity, and to actually have something to work towards. Granted this is an absolutely mental and unprecedented situation, but the chat about the same things over and over in the media is a bit tiresome. I must say, I'd even be delighted if in 6 months time I'm watching the Rovers still jobbing around this league to be honest. Just hope we all still have our respective clubs to watch when this is all over. I guess the reassuring thing is almost every club is in the same boat. Edited March 29, 2020 by CALDERON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life on Marrs? Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 What with the Deputy Chief Medical officer saying, yesterday, that it could be 6 months before normality resumes. The very real prospect of season 2019/2020 just being binned & us starting again from afresh in the late Summer/Autumn looks increasing more likely. Harsh when 3 of our 4 leagues are forgone conclusions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, sirscottyoung said: Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward. Thought about a full change 14 team leagues x 3 Then the Highland and lowland. Then the Eos, wos, sos etc Do a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm.... Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues. Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. Thief...see page one... “Take current positions, convert to 3 x 14 next year. One full round versus all for 26 games, then a full round versus your “half” of the table, another 12 games. 19 total home games. HL/LL get no promotion this year, but will be two chances starting next year. Starting next year, promote #1 and 2, #3-5 playoff with #12 above, #13-14 relegated and (as noted) #12 playoff. On the bottom of the third league, #14 plays HL/LL winner with best record, #13 plays the other.” ...but, seriously, about the worst loser of this is Clyde, who will likely move up next year, and the HL/LL teams that will get two spots doing forward. Edited March 30, 2020 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirscottyoung Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Thief...see page one... “Take current positions, convert to 3 x 14 next year. One full round versus all for 26 games, then a full round versus your “half” of the table, another 12 games. 19 total home games. HL/LL get no promotion this year, but will be two chances starting next year. Starting next year, promote #1 and 2, #3-5 playoff with #12 above, #13-14 relegated and (as noted) #12 playoff. On the bottom of the third league, #14 plays HL/LL winner with best record, #13 plays the other.” ...but, seriously, about the worst loser of this is Clyde, who will likely move up next year, and the HL/LL teams that will get two spots doing forward.Haha never noticed that mate. It's by far the best idea to go forward 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 The antibody test might change things. If we can test to see if folk have had it and now have immunity, you might find that FAs try and get some controlled games behind closed doors once teams have been thoroughly tested. I would agree it's unlikely we have open matches before August though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 16 hours ago, haufdaft said: 17 hours ago, sirscottyoung said: Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward. Thought about a full change 14 team leagues x 3 Then the Highland and lowland. Then the Eos, wos, sos etc Do a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm.... Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues. Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. 7 team split means one team sitting it out every matchday. This looks a great solution, sadly the bigoted arsecheeks are firmly opposed to any 14 or bigger team leagues, so it won't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 First decent post on here, Scottish Football is run primarily by the Glasgow two, coupled with these unprecedented times, all the therapeutic dreams of two up and all the other stuff is just nonsense My opinion is that the only option is to forget what has happened this season. Forget any reconstruction, this season will be “ lost” and only waiting on the length of lockdown to see when the new season starts, this looks like well into the Autumn. For consolations Winners - Hearts Partick Stranraer Brechin Losers - Celtic Dundee Utd Cove Second decent post on here from Bantabairn. Delete this season, start anew when we can. Why is there the desperation to f**k up multiple seasons rather than just the current one? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 18 hours ago, sirscottyoung said: Was sitting the other day working out some stuff for work and thought I would work out the plan for what to do going forward. Thought about a full change 14 team leagues x 3 Then the Highland and lowland. Then the Eos, wos, sos etc Do a 7 team split half way through season so after 26 games (home and away) so top 7 play each other 2 times and bottom 7 play each other 2 times (home and away). As I noticed Michael Stewart says it's contractual for old firm.... Top 2 automatically go up a league like English leagues. Can do the play offs like we do currently or have a 3rd v 12th in league above play off "final" only. Way ahead of you on this one: https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/264385-league-reconstruction/page/3/#comments The principal complaint about an enlarged league of any form are so-called 'meaningless games' in the mid-table: for a split, the issue raised is normally what the teams sitting 8th, 9th etc. have to play for if there's no serious threat of them being relegated after 26 games. This is where the play-off system can be used to provide competitive games throughout the league as follows: Quote Have two automatic relegation/promotion spots between each league, with 12th (league above), 3rd and 4th all qualifying for the semi-finals of a play-off system. Then hold a run-off between 5th and 8th placed side ('winner' of the bottom half) to see who gets the last semi-final spot. By expanding the leagues the immediate threat of relegation is lower for clubs in the top flight and second tier than it is right now, while having more movement between the divisions instead of playing the same half dozen teams forty times over a decade. A similar play-off system (including 8th from the bottom half) should apply for at least one of the European spots, but I haven't even tried to work out the effects of the coefficient/new Europa League 2 nonsense on how that should work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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