johnnydun Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, Big Shedboy said: It's not a realistic option. Rangers fans want it to stop Celtic winning and Dundee fans want it to stop United winning. It's not all about United ffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikethedee Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 If finishing the season means playing out the remaining games and playoffs as per the schedule at the start of the season, then there should be no logical reason for Ayr, ICT, Dundee, Arbroath & Dunfermline to vote for these proposals. All have a decent to strong chance of finishing in the play-off spots and potential promotion as it stands and it would be almost criminally negligent of them to vote against this (might actually be criminal for boards to vote for something that their shareholders see as detrimental to the club (ie business), but not 100% sure on that). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 My gut instinct is that thistle (obvs) and Dundee will vote against it and everyone else will vote to take the money, so it'll pass . The "well we might discuss league reconstruction" is only there if Hearts kick up shit once this eventually applied to the premiership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Shedboy Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, johnnydun said: It's not all about United ffs. Lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Spikethedee said: If finishing the season means playing out the remaining games and playoffs as per the schedule at the start of the season, then there should be no logical reason for Ayr, ICT, Dundee, Arbroath & Dunfermline to vote for these proposals. All have a decent to strong chance of finishing in the play-off spots and potential promotion as it stands and it would be almost criminally negligent of them to vote against this (might actually be criminal for boards to vote for something that their shareholders see as detrimental to the club (ie business), but not 100% sure on that). They don’t get to vote on cancelling the Premiership/Championship play-offs. Article 61.2 https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL Articles of Association of 20-Jan-20 (clean).pdf They could vote against cancelling the Championship/L1 play-offs in an effort to prevent the overall plan, but that wouldn’t reinstate the Premiership/Championship play-offs if the Premiership clubs vote to cancel them. Edited April 8, 2020 by Flash 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
third lanark Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, MacArab said: In order for this to pass, 32 clubs need to vote Aye. Assuming 10 from the Premiership vote Yes, That leaves 22 from the remaining 3 leagues of 10. What clubs from the remaining 3 leagues would vote NO, Thistle, Falkirk and Stranraer (perhaps) aside? They all want and need their money now. Dundee and st Johnstone also to try and stop uniteds promotion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, cilitbang said: Championship clubs will probably go out of business with no matchday income anyway, so we'll get bumped back up lul. Not when the government is paying their wages they won't. Get doon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
third lanark Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Fuctifano said: My gut instinct is that thistle (obvs) and Dundee will vote against it and everyone else will vote to take the money, so it'll pass . The "well we might discuss league reconstruction" is only there if Hearts kick up shit once this eventually applied to the premiership. Can see Falkirk and Stranraer voting against it too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I'm a big fan of this resolution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 55 minutes ago, craigkillie said: The decision on the top flight is being held back because UEFA, quite rightly, asked clubs to adopt a wait and see approach rather than shooting their load and jumping in too early, which seemed to be the preferred view of several countries around Europe, including ours. That obviously only applies to top flight leagues, so they are holding fire on that decision, which is what they should really be doing for all four. There's also the slim chance that you could hold televised top flight matches behind closed doors in June and July. You can't do that with the lower leagues - clubs at this level are much better off having the government pay furloughed wages and calling the season than playing games (and so paying wages again) without any gate receipts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, third lanark said: Can see Falkirk and Stranraer voting against it too I meant in this league, my reading of the stv guy tweet is that if this league doesn't vote for it then it doesn't go through 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikethedee Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Flash said: They don’t get to vote on cancelling the Premiership/Championship play-offs. Article 61.2 https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL Articles of Association of 20-Jan-20 (clean).pdf They could vote against cancelling the Championship/L1 play-offs in an effort to prevent the overall plan, but that wouldn’t reinstate the Premiership/Championship play-offs if the Premiership clubs vote to cancel them. Firstly, that's a ridiculously stupid rule - we have a play-off that affects two leagues, but only one of them can vote to cancel/change them? Insanity. Secondly, if the play-off candidates finish the season, and have the play-off games, it would be almost impossible, IMHO, for the top flight clubs to weasel out of the final two games without looking like immense cowards and self-serving p***ks. (Not much of a change there, for Scottish football, I suppose.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I would be fairly sure UEFA wont allow a new season in July /August even if the leagues are ended. UEFA will insist new seasons start at the same time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Spikethedee said: Firstly, that's a ridiculously stupid rule - we have a play-off that affects two leagues, but only one of them can vote to cancel/change them? Insanity. Secondly, if the play-off candidates finish the season, and have the play-off games, it would be almost impossible, IMHO, for the top flight clubs to weasel out of the final two games without looking like immense cowards and self-serving p***ks. (Not much of a change there, for Scottish football, I suppose.) The clubs must have voted to approve the rule in the first place. Maybe the Premiership clubs wouldn’t have agreed to play-offs at all if they weren’t able to call the shots. It isn’t just the last two games that form the Premiership/Championship play-offs. The games between teams 2 to 4 in the Championship would be cancelled as well if the Premiership clubs vote for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said: I would be fairly sure UEFA wont allow a new season in July /August even if the leagues are ended. UEFA will insist new seasons start at the same time The top flight will have to accomodate UEFA's common timetable in setting a start date; the other leagues do not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said: I would be fairly sure UEFA wont allow a new season in July /August even if the leagues are ended. UEFA will insist new seasons start at the same time UEFA won't be bothered when new seasons start in the lower leagues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, virginton said: There's also the slim chance that you could hold televised top flight matches behind closed doors in June and July. You can't do that with the lower leagues - clubs at this level are much better off having the government pay furloughed wages and calling the season than playing games (and so paying wages again) without any gate receipts. I was wondering if the lower league clubs could get a one camera set-up and still stream games online to make some money - this is fairly cheap to do anyway. It's unclear whether it would leave them better off than furloughing though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdyteejay Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, RiG said: SPFL clearly panicking that ICT were going to catch and overhaul Dundee United so they're wanting the Arabs promoted ASAP. Disgraceful Gets my vote for best joke of the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 So hearts won’t be getting relegated if the top league doesn’t finish and we will have a top 13 next season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I was wondering if the lower league clubs could get a one camera set-up and still stream games online to make some money - this is fairly cheap to do anyway. It's unclear whether it would leave them better off than furloughing though. Surely most would rather just take the prize money and keep furloughing? For the smaller clubs I'd imagine revenue from streaming would be tiny. A small proportion of an already small base paying well below gate price, with no additional food or hospitality sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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