Derry Alli Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: So, if the season is voided or it’s decided to finish it after 28/29 games that’s what we do every season from now on ? Where did I say that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Noticed the scottish league seem to be on a different course from the English leagues now. Seems to be a let results stand so we can start getting money in for next season.Said pages back but just don’t think new seasons will be allowed to start , until the big leagues have completed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, craigkillie said: 1 hour ago, Dele said: Yes they did. Within a set transfer window. Is it fair that they would then get yet another opportunity to overhaul their squad before the season is out? It's certainly no less fair than just sticking a pin in the season at some random moment. Hearts are absolutely shite, and will finish bottom regardless, of that I have no doubt. It's not random at all though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 We absolutely deserve to go down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Had a look through the SPFL rules and I’m not sure whether any rule changes would be required to have the Championship and lower league placings decided as they stand now. There is a specific rule (C14) for the Premiership that says they should play 38 games in a season. There are no rules I can see for the number of games that have to be played in the other divisions. The only reference I can see to games that should be played is in G1 which says the Board will issue a fixture schedule prior to the season starting. In the definitions, a “Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match and ending on the date of the last League Match in the same season or otherwise as determined by the Board.” I think two things could flow from that - you could argue that a Season will end on the date of the last scheduled fixture, so it could be interpreted to mean this season will end on that date whether or not any more games are played. However, even if that is wrong, it looks like the Board can determine when the season ends. Which could be 2 May or it could be 13 March or any other date they decide and it could be after any number of games. Rule G6 says that “So far as reasonably practicable the fixture schedule in the League... shall require clubs to play equal numbers of home and away matches.” Aside from only referring to the schedule, it could be argued that it wasn’t “reasonably practicable” for this to happen this season. So, the uneven number of fixtures wouldn’t necessarily prevent the season from ending. The only potential rule changes needed I can see are in respect of the play-off competitions (that happen after the season ends) and the requirement for the Premiership to play 38 games. Even then, I’m not sure if the 38 game requirement can be “trumped” by the Board deciding to end the season before that. So, removing the play-offs might be the only rule change the clubs have to vote on. And it might even be possible to complete the play-offs before next season starts if the competing clubs are decided by league placings whenever the Board decided the season ended. Incidentally, if any rule changes are required in respect of the Premiership/Championship play-offs, only the Premiership clubs get to vote on them, due to clause 61.2 in the SPFL Articles. So, if the proposal was that the Premiership/Championship play-offs should be cancelled, only the Premiership clubs get to vote on that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: We absolutely deserve to go down. Surely you don't mean that, no fan want's to see their team relegated. Courage mon Brave! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, DA Baracus said: It's not random at all though. It is random, unless you think that the coronavirus outbreak was predetermined by some greater force. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
third lanark Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: We absolutely deserve to go down. We still have a game in hand over Queen of the south who don’t seem any better than us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 There seems a concern generally about football's progress from this situation in the context of what happens next season. I don't think that should be a consideration until it is decided what is happening with the season which has presently been disrupted. Fans have paid to watch matches, football administrators have taken money from sponsors and media companies for the games completed, and I can't see how this can be cast away. There is a responsibility to find a solution to the present problem, not to think how season 2020-21 will progress. That can come with time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Where did I say that? When you highlighted “used to be”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: When you highlighted “used to be”. 10 hours ago, Dele said: You've just asked and answered your own question. Did I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 It is random, unless you think that the coronavirus outbreak was predetermined by some greater force.It may well have been, but that is a whole other discussion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, SandyCromarty said: Surely you don't mean that, no fan want's to see their team relegated. Courage mon Brave! It’s not wanting to go down, it’s recognising that it’s deserved. The season we were relegated we definitely deserved it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Play Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: It’s not wanting to go down, it’s recognising that it’s deserved. The season we were relegated we definitely deserved it. At last, something from you that all of Pie and Bovril can agree on. I’m going to have to give you a greenie for that GD. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 hours ago, DA Baracus said: Read my post. I outlined why I think it would be unfair if it was not the same squad. Dele is making the same point as well. There's not going to be a perfect solution to this whatever happens, but do you really think completing the season with an additional transfer window in it would be a more unjust option than awarding promotion and relegation based on current standings or declaring the season null and void? If finishing the season is possible then there's obviously a debate to be had about transfer windows and whether you allow players to move as normal or try to find a way to prevent players registering with other clubs until the season ends despite their current contracts expiring. However I'm struggling with the notion that an additional transfer window which may give clubs an advantage on the pitch would be an egregious injustice when not getting back on the pitch at all and either ending the season as it stands and relegating teams with a third of the season left or writing the whole thing off and leaving everyone where they are for another season are both serious possibilities. It's clearly a considerably fairer option than either of those. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: There's not going to be a perfect solution to this whatever happens, but do you really think completing the season with an additional transfer window in it would be a more unjust option than awarding promotion and relegation based on current standings or declaring the season null and void? If finishing the season is possible then there's obviously a debate to be had about transfer windows and whether you allow players to move as normal or try to find a way to prevent players registering with other clubs until the season ends despite their current contracts expiring. However I'm struggling with the notion that an additional transfer window which may give clubs an advantage on the pitch would be an egregious injustice when not getting back on the pitch at all and either ending the season as it stands and relegating teams with a third of the season left or writing the whole thing off and leaving everyone where they are for another season are both serious possibilities. It's clearly a considerably fairer option than either of those. There isn't a fair solution. Both suggestions are unfair. 8 games isn't a third of the season incidentally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: There isn't a fair solution. Both suggestions are unfair. 8 games isn't a third of the season incidentally. Right enough, no idea why I said a third rather than a quarter. I agree, there is an element of unfairness in every suggestion. However we have to do something and if possible an option which allows placings to be decided on the pitch is clearly preferable to those that don't, even if that involves clubs getting an extra shot at a transfer window. There are differing degrees of fairness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 I’ve not been keeping up with this. Is there any indication on what will happen with this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 The president of Uefa Cerferin has released a statement stating that the Champions and Europa Leagues will be abandoned if the present coronavirus restrictions remain in place into September. But he said that playing behind closed doors would be preferable to abandonment. I take it that he implies that it is possible that large sporting or event/concert/festival gatherings could be banned until September. While the games he mentioned would still attract big TV financial gains such a ban would have a devastating effect on smaller clubs given there would be no gate or major TV money for our games behind closed doors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weetoonlad Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 The president of Uefa Cerferin has released a statement stating that the Champions and Europa Leagues will be abandoned if the present coronavirus restrictions remain in place into September. But he said that playing behind closed doors would be preferable to abandonment. I take it that he implies that it is possible that large sporting or event/concert/festival gatherings could be banned until September. While the games he mentioned would still attract big TV financial gains such a ban would have a devastating effect on smaller clubs given there would be no gate or major TV money for our games behind closed doors. Right Guys been banging ma head of the headboard all weekend trying to work a plan out and this is it 1 Move to summer football April to Nov 2 Four Leagues of 14 3 All Premier team stay as is And add Dundee Utd And Inverness 4 All teams sitting in first and 2nd move up a League 5 Play each other twice home and away 6 have two cups Scottish cup and Betfred cup all in draw from round one Would be working out approx 40/44 games per season If your club were in Europe it could be as much as 55/60 games far too much in this day in football So the long and the short is Summer football . And revamp The Four divisions Let's go for it Now Or maybe am just talking pish as normal Sent from my Stolen Samsung s20 -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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