Coronavirus and the Scottish Championship

[DA Baracus]

Just now, Rob1885 said:

Bit rich when you were calling for the entire 20/21 season to be cancelled a month ago

I said if the whole season was to be in empty stadiums then it should be cancelled. Not the same thing, as it looks like much of the season will now be in front of fans.

[DA Baracus]

2 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

If only, but there’s no doubt covid is nowhere near as potent as it was in March. Also should we continue to shut down the world to benefit a small number of people 

It might be absolutely fine by the time October comes around. Maybe we could even have full crowds back in then by then. Hope so.

Or maybe there will be a second wave. Perhaps the virus is more potent in the colder months. You don't know, because no one does due to it being a new virus.

Contingencies have to be taken in to account for not only that, but other things like cup competitions, international breaks, matches being called off for weather issues etc. In addition, more games would call for larger squads to cope, as well as an increase in other costs, and with income down across all revenue streams, it's another reason to err on the side of caution for one season.

Edited June 12, 2020 by DA Baracus

[RandomGuy.]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

If only, but there’s no doubt covid is nowhere near as potent as it was in March. 

Why do you constantly present this as if the virus is somehow getting bored and is planning to just give up?

The drop is entirely down to the lockdown preventing the spread. Breaking the lockdown could easily see it return to what it was.

How can you not figure that out?

[vikingTON]

3 hours ago, super_carson said:

There's space in the calendar, but you have to allow for the inevitable shit weather and international windows.  Added to the fact that a condensed season would require larger squads and a greater financial commitment to wages etc. and you can see why it's financially not desirable right  now. 

International weekends aren't relevant to the lower leagues while the top flight already plans to start in August. Playing 36 games between October and June is also a more efficient use of a wage budget than 27 in the same period. The appearance money goes up but the basic wage stays the same. 

The main reason for keeping it to 27 is to allow leeway for further disruption and ensure that the season is wrapped up by the usual date in 2021. I'd rather that we went for 36 and just accepted that we'd be playing well into June next year instead but I can see the clubs' perspective. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by vikingTON

[AyrExile]

4 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

It’s ridiculous we can’t have a full season! 36 games could easily be fitted in from early Oct to May 

Still a few doubts around everything tbh. There is a reasonable chance the virus is seasonal or will spike higher in colder months causing further disruption. Our own chairman was on radio last week saying he still isn’t sure we can afford to play until more is known about revenue streams. 27 games leaves some wriggle room should things change 

[Skyline Drifter]

2 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

If only, but there’s no doubt covid is nowhere near as potent as it was in March.

Congratulations. Despite having some excellent competition that is without the slightest doubt the stupidest thing anyone has posted on here ever.

The virus is apparently 'less potent' somehow.

[North Terrace Gazza]

Still a few doubts around everything tbh. There is a reasonable chance the virus is seasonal or will spike higher in colder months causing further disruption. Our own chairman was on radio last week saying he still isn’t sure we can afford to play until more is known about revenue streams. 27 games leaves some wriggle room should things change 

Don’t think the virus is seasonal, have a look at South America. That said looking at Europe it does seem like we’re through the worst.

[TxRover]

2 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

If only, but there’s no doubt covid is nowhere near as potent as it was in March. Also should we continue to shut down the world to benefit a small number of people 

 

11 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Congratulations. Despite having some excellent competition that is without the slightest doubt the stupidest thing anyone has posted on here ever.

The virus is apparently 'less potent' somehow.

While I agree with the prize win, excluding the second sentence makes it marginally less stupid. As one of those “small number” who benefits from not being exposed, he can go f**k himself. Until we find a way to inoculate for stupidity, this shit’s gonna continue, as 14 U.S. states are busy proving.

[Skyline Drifter]

11 minutes ago, TxRover said:

 

While I agree with the prize win, excluding the second sentence makes it marginally less stupid. As one of those “small number” who benefits from not being exposed, he can go f**k himself. Until we find a way to inoculate for stupidity, this shit’s gonna continue, as 14 U.S. states are busy proving.

I'm not particularly defending the 2nd part though to be honest the nonshielding group are going to have to get back as close to normality as possible sooner or later. But the idea that stopping the world for 3 months and staying in houses has somehow made the virus 'less potent' is so monumentally stupid it needs highlighted. The virus is what it was three months ago, a deadly worldwide pandemic. Infection rates are down because we took action to reduce its ability to spread. Not because it is one iota less potent than it was before. If we remove all restrictions we will be back where we were fairly quickly. It didnt move away while we all hid behind our front doors. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Skyline Drifter

[AyrExile]

19 minutes ago, North Terrace Gazza said:

 

Don’t think the virus is seasonal, have a look at South America. That said looking at Europe it does seem like we’re through the worst.

 

The season they are in now is the same one I think we may see another spike here 

[AyrExile]

28 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Congratulations. Despite having some excellent competition that is without the slightest doubt the stupidest thing anyone has posted on here ever.

The virus is apparently 'less potent' somehow.

It’s  possible the virus has mutated into a milder strain and this poster is ahead of the game here

[Skyline Drifter]

21 minutes ago, AyrExile said:

It’s  possible the virus has mutated into a milder strain and this poster is ahead of the game here

Fair enough, this is true.

Its also possible that I will be elected as the next Pope or be pursued romantically by all the contestants at the next Miss World pageant.

[TxRover]

46 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Fair enough, this is true.

Its also possible that I will be elected as the next Pope or be pursued romantically by all the contestants at the next Miss World pageant.

Why not the Mr. World too, it’s a new world indeed.

1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:

I'm not particularly defending the 2nd part though to be honest the nonshielding group are going to have to get back as close to normality as possible sooner or later. But the idea that stopping the world for 3 months and staying in houses has somehow made the virus 'less potent' is so monumentally stupid it needs highlighted. The virus is what it was three months ago, a deadly worldwide pandemic. Infection rates are down because we took action to reduce its ability to spread. Not because it is one iota less potent than it was before. If we remove all restrictions we will be back where we were fairly quickly. It didnt move away while we all hid behind our front doors. 

I understand and agree. Here in Texas we’re busy opening up despite rising cases over the past 15+ days, and we’ve approved 75% capacity at restaurants, add in the protests and we’re about to see what happens when you reduce social distancing and lockdowns without community transmission having been interrupted. It’s not that I want everyone to hide inside, but the number of absolute minters around with no masks and no concerns is just priming us for a really fun experiment.

 

1 hour ago, AyrExile said:

It’s  possible the virus has mutated into a milder strain and this poster is ahead of the game here

Interestingly, in the long term, it is likely the virus becomes less virulent because that allows it to spread better. However, the long term is years, not weeks....so indeed.

[Thereisalight..]

3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

Why do you constantly present this as if the virus is somehow getting bored and is planning to just give up?

The drop is entirely down to the lockdown preventing the spread. Breaking the lockdown could easily see it return to what it was.

How can you not figure that out?

Going by figures from other countries (America aside) who’ve been out of lockdown for a month or so now, shows no great rise in new cases/deaths. 

[vikingTON]

1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Fair enough, this is true.

Its also possible that I will be elected as the next Pope or be pursued romantically by all the contestants at the next Miss World pageant.

Except that viruses are known to mutate and/or 'adapt' to their hosts over time, not least ones that weren't even infecting humans in the first place until a few months ago. It happens all the time with flu pandemics. So while it would be obviously wrong for anyone never mind the authorities to just pin all their expectations on that unproven, unlikely and yet still plausible hypothesis, your braying dismissal of it out of hand is foolish.

Edited June 12, 2020 by vikingTON

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Going by figures from other countries (America aside) who’ve been out of lockdown for a month or so now, shows no great rise in new cases/deaths. 

The overall result to slow and careful reopening seems to be decent IF a regime of serious contact tracing and isolation of those entering the country is followed. There's also a huge impact based upon the willingness of the populace to follow some distancing and mask wearing after the initial lockdown eases. Several countries have had flare ups that were stopped due to careful detective work and agressive responses, but these were most often Asian countries where individual liberties are a bit less expected/demanded.

 

1 hour ago, virginton said:

Except that viruses are known to mutate and/or 'adapt' to their hosts over time, not least ones that weren't even infecting humans in the first place until a few months ago. It happens all the time with flu pandemics. So while it would be obviously wrong for anyone never mind the authorities to just pin all their expectations on that unproven, unlikely and yet still plausible hypothesis, your braying dismissal of it out of hand is foolish.

The diffence between plausible and likely is a huge one. His dismissal was of an ignorant statement of a clear falsehood, and, as such, was entirely correct. Donkey references aside, I'm not interested in becoming a test case for "if" the virus "may" have mutated to a "less" virulent form.

[Rudolph Hucker]

4 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Fair enough, this is true.

Its also possible that I will be elected as the next Pope or be pursued romantically by all the contestants at the next Miss World pageant.

 

2 hours ago, virginton said:

Except that viruses are known to mutate and/or 'adapt' to their hosts over time, not least ones that weren't even infecting humans in the first place until a few months ago. It happens all the time with flu pandemics. So while it would be obviously wrong for anyone never mind the authorities to just pin all their expectations on that unproven, unlikely and yet still plausible hypothesis, your braying dismissal of it out of hand is foolish.

^^^ pissed aff because he’s got even less chance of being chased by all the Miss World contestants than Skyline Drifter.

[RandomGuy.]

11 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Going by figures from other countries (America aside) who’ve been out of lockdown for a month or so now, shows no great rise in new cases/deaths. 

Give me examples of Countries that have allowed thousands into football grounds, ruling out New Zealand who eradicated the virus beforehand, and the figures showing it didnt increase the spread.

[Have some faith in Magic]

16 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

Congratulations. Despite having some excellent competition that is without the slightest doubt the stupidest thing anyone has posted on here ever.

The virus is apparently 'less potent' somehow.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN2370OP

This man may have some experience. 

 

[North Terrace Gazza]

If Hearts take the SPFL to court and get an injunction to stop the start of the season, is it possible that the clubs could vote to expel Hearts for the leagues?