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15 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

What's the exit strategy if the clubs decide it's shite after 2 seasons?

Relegate hearts...

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This cack handed plan is doomed to fail. Hearts can get doon.

I expect the Championship vote will be 9-1 against. Particularly as ICT have acted like shitebags and have exactly zero goodwill.

I am also not in favour of promoting some of the dross in league one up. *Shudder* Airdrie.

Edited by Trogdor

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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

This cack handed plan is doomed to fail. Hearts can get doon.

I expect the Championship vote will be 9-1 against. Particularly as ICT have acted like shitebags and have exactly zero goodwill.

I am also not in favour of promoting some of the dross in league one up. *Shudder* Airdrie.

It's a good point. Putting unprepared teams from L1 who can't possibly afford to play closed door games could put them out of business.

Edited by Sergeant Wilson

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Wonder if Dundee's vote will mysteriously dissappear into cyber space again

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6 minutes ago, rb123! said:

Wonder if Dundee's vote will mysteriously dissappear into cyber space again

Won't have as much impact since 8 other Championship teams will be voting the same way we will.

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Here goes, too 28 from last season play 2 leagues of 14, playing  each other 3 times then split, starting in August behind closed doors, hopefully by Jan 21, some crowds allowed, the rest including HL and LL, don't play at all, everybody back for 21/22, including HL and LL,  in a 12-12-20, which includes Brora and Kelty

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3 minutes ago, ecto said:

Here goes, too 28 from last season play 2 leagues of 14, playing  each other 3 times then split, starting in August behind closed doors, hopefully by Jan 21, some crowds allowed, the rest including HL and LL, don't play at all, everybody back for 21/22, including HL and LL,  in a 12-12-20, which includes Brora and Kelty

You split.

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3 hours ago, virginton said:

I've already stated that this would happen and that on several points Championship clubs would have work to do.

1) The problem of fans rolling out of the pub en masse at five to three is undermined by the simple fact that pubs will either i) not actually be open for trade yet or ii) heavily restricted in their own capacity. You seem to think that 'get fans back to the football' means rolling everything else back to the way it was in February overnight, which isn't actually going to happen here.

2) If fans ignore instructions to adhere to distancing and other safety measures then they can be denied entry/ejected from the ground/banned from future matches through the already existing combination of stewarding and club action. You don't get to waltz into an SPFL ground with a bottle of Buckfast or jump up and down on the seats (unless you're a bigot fan): you won't get to flout any new restrictions either. There is no fundamental problem here that enhanced stewarding/policing provision wouldn't deal with.

An apt summary of your 'Scottish football would witness the next Heysel because of people being told where to stand in a queue' thesis.

1.  I didn’t say anything about a problem arising in the first game after resumption though, did I? Or even in the first month. I said “sometime”.  I refer you back to my earlier remark about reading for comprehension. 😜 Anyway, whether pubs are open or not I’m sure  you’re aware that before a game people could be drinking at home, or in a car/on the bus/on the train en route to the ground. Hell, even you must’ve seen some of the bigger boys having a drink on the way to an away game. And what I’ve been saying all along is that changes will be made in the way that we get into and  out of games and how we behave in the grounds.  Absolutely NOT  “rolling everything else back to the way it was in February overnight“. Clear now? Sure?

2. My point was that trouble could arise outside the ground as a result of the changes to entry procedures that could be introduced post-virus.  I entirely agree with you that improved stewarding and policing should be more than able to deal with it. I fail to see though why you saw fit to bring it up as dealing with the aftermath was never an issue in anything that I said. Is it possible that you were just tap-dancing here, trying to look like you were winning a point that had never been in the debate? (Please do not feel the need to answer that. Treat it as a rhetorical question - life’s too short to waste much more time on your ramblings. Only come back if you’ve something worthwhile to say).

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If we're not back playing in front of crowds by August then I'll be very surprised, however if we're not, why do people think things will change by January 2021, August 2021 or indeed any other future date plucked out of thin air ??

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Largely because if we’re not reasonable sorted with vaccine or treatment then we’ll either be dead or herd immunity will have kicked in.

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33 minutes ago, ecto said:

Here goes, too 28 from last season play 2 leagues of 14, playing  each other 3 times then split, starting in August behind closed doors, hopefully by Jan 21, some crowds allowed, the rest including HL and LL, don't play at all, everybody back for 21/22, including HL and LL,  in a 12-12-20, which includes Brora and Kelty

One of the main problems is if you shut down football clubs for a year like any business you will struggle to recover and be lost for good.....

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24 minutes ago, Passionate said:

One of the main problems is if you shut down football clubs for a year like any business you will struggle to recover and be lost for good.....

But I cannot see many of these clubs surviving playing behind closed doors, for any length of time, anyway

 

52 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

If we're not back playing in front of crowds by August then I'll be very surprised, however if we're not, why do people think things will change by January 2021, August 2021 or indeed any other future date plucked out of thin air ??

Don't think it's likely we will be playing in front of crowds in August, was using Jan 21 if there is a 2nd wave in the autumn, as some are predicting, by Jan21 we should be past that and hopefully have a vaccine

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Who would've thought that Championship clubs maybe don't fancy Budge's proposal?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8359477/Scottish-Championship-clubs-set-REJECT-proposal-Hearts-owner-Ann-Budge-three-leagues-14.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top

One particular quote:

One second tier source told Sportsmail: 'Clubs in our league will not vote for this. Right now we know that one club will definitely go down in any given year with another going into a relegation play-off.

'In two years' time this plan could potentially mean six clubs being relegated. Why would clubs who could be affected vote for that? It's fantasy.

'This is a mountainous problem. Add in the fact that if Hearts and Inverness go up we will need to find another six clubs for the Championship next season at a time when there is real doubt about leagues one and two teams playing at all and the plan lacks credibility.

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1 hour ago, WATTOO said:

If we're not back playing in front of crowds by August then I'll be very surprised, however if we're not, why do people think things will change by January 2021, August 2021 or indeed any other future date plucked out of thin air ??

I do think that by August/September, with the way the current figures of rates of infection and deaths are going etc, we really could be at a stage as a country where there could be days with no deaths and very few new infections a day. 

Main problem is going to be that 1. The lowering of the figures will probably be due to social distancing etc and not just that the virus has petered out and the 2nd problem is by October/November time everyone will get winter colds/flu and start shitting it thinking it's coronavirus (Large scale public testing for everyone will need to be facilitated for by that time IMO)

As i've said though the disease will have hopefully reduced by then but only because of social distancing and other extra precautions so Gov aren't going to risk throwing that away by letting crowds back IMO. I mean today government studies have published that the Cheltenham Festival and Liverpool v Athletico Madrid really spread the coronavirus in this country. 

Also if limited numbers were allowed at matches i actually think the clubs with all seater are at an advantage to terracing, with all seater they could easily use the numbered seats to do online ticket sales which would allow you only to be able to choose certain seats which are all apart from anyone else.  

Edited by rb123!

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1 hour ago, rb123! said:

Wonder if Dundee's vote will mysteriously dissappear into cyber space again

With any luck maybe budgie will

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7 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Who would've thought that Championship clubs maybe don't fancy Budge's proposal?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8359477/Scottish-Championship-clubs-set-REJECT-proposal-Hearts-owner-Ann-Budge-three-leagues-14.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top

One particular quote:

One second tier source told Sportsmail: 'Clubs in our league will not vote for this. Right now we know that one club will definitely go down in any given year with another going into a relegation play-off.

'In two years' time this plan could potentially mean six clubs being relegated. Why would clubs who could be affected vote for that? It's fantasy.

'This is a mountainous problem. Add in the fact that if Hearts and Inverness go up we will need to find another six clubs for the Championship next season at a time when there is real doubt about leagues one and two teams playing at all and the plan lacks credibility.

Also says the rest of the championship clubs want to stick the middle finger up at that c**t Gardner and tell him he's staying doon, splendid.

Championship opposition to the plan is further heightened by ill-feeling towards Inverness Chief Executive Scot Gardiner following a bitter civil war over the SPFL's resolution to end the season. 

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6 minutes ago, rb123! said:

Also says the rest of the championship clubs want to stick the middle finger up at that c**t Gardner and tell him he's staying doon, splendid.

Championship opposition to the plan is further heightened by ill-feeling towards Inverness Chief Executive Scot Gardiner following a bitter civil war over the SPFL's resolution to end the season. 

Hahaha good spot, I missed that

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28 minutes ago, rb123! said:

Also says the rest of the championship clubs want to stick the middle finger up at that c**t Gardner and tell him he's staying doon, splendid.

Championship opposition to the plan is further heightened by ill-feeling towards Inverness Chief Executive Scot Gardiner following a bitter civil war over the SPFL's resolution to end the season. 

Just Dundee fans being wound up though, right?  @TheScarf

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