johnnydun Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Parttimesupporter said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-clubs-warned-failure-thrash-22097900 "Championship clubs have already made it clear they’ll be in no position to play a full league campaign. But unless 75 per cent of all clubs can agree on some form of reconstruction, then the rules state it must be a 36 game season. “If any club can’t fulfil its own fixtures it would become a disciplinary issue - one of the most serious disciplinary issues there is - and it would carry unlimited punishments." Inclined to call bullshit on this one, given the 'off the radar' track record of the hack involved. Also, my recollection is that there is a specific reference to a 38 game season in the Premiership in the SPFL Rules (amended for 19/20), but no such number quoted for other leagues. However, I'm too lazy to dig further......... The ammount of games is at the discretion of the SPFL, as we have seen this season. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parttimesupporter Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, johnnydun said: The ammount of games is at the discretion of the SPFL, as we have seen this season. The SPFL made a decision on the number of games in the 2019/20 season, with a 3/4 majority of clubs in different cohorts voting in favour (let's not go into that again!!). The question is who decides when leagues start for the 2020/21 and how many games there will be. As far as I can see there isn't a member's resolution on that point yet. So the big question is can the SPLF Board decide or do the clubs in each division get to make the call? Answers on a postcard....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 9 hours ago, D'Jaffo said: Cameron on the Nine tonight saying he feels any plans for reconstruction are already dead. St Johnstone made it clear they wouldn't sell season tickets until it was clarified what the set up would be next season. St Johnstone are, apparently, telling fans season tickets will be put on sale in 7-10 days. Either way this looks like being the last vote on reconstruction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 No doubt Neil Doncaster will be along soon hailing this as the last chance for Scottish football and brow beating clubs into voting. If clubs can’t afford to start the season then votes may shift towards a previously unpopular view to save their own skin. Budge should just put the cat amongst the pigeons by heading straight to the court room 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, AyrExile said: No doubt Neil Doncaster will be along soon hailing this as the last chance for Scottish football and brow beating clubs into voting. If clubs can’t afford to start the season then votes may shift towards a previously unpopular view to save their own skin. Budge should just put the cat amongst the pigeons by heading straight to the court room Would love to see Budge try legal action, because it would be a costly and embarrassing failure for her. Which is why she'll never actually do it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Would love to see Budge try legal action, because it would be a costly and embarrassing failure for her. Which is why she'll never actually do it. You speak as though Budge doesn't have a track record of costly and embarrassing failures. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALDERON Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I'm struggling to see what the basis for the legal challenge is? Is ending the season early not something that is described in the rules and regulations of the SPFL? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I'm struggling to see what the basis for the legal challenge is? Is ending the season early not something that is described in the rules and regulations of the SPFL? Knowing them, probably not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, CALDERON said: I'm struggling to see what the basis for the legal challenge is? Is ending the season early not something that is described in the rules and regulations of the SPFL? Yes it is. When the SPFL decided the league was finished, the places at the time stand. If anyone has a legal challenge, it is the teams in the playoff places, as going by the rules, they should still be due them. However, unlike Hearts, the teams in the playoff places have accepted their fate, due to the current difficult situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 The only thing that might (and I emphasise “might”) give Hearts a case is the “38 games” clause for the Premiership. But it could be argued that it’s sufficiently ambiguous as to give the SPFL a get-out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Hucker Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 35 minutes ago, johnnydun said: Yes it is. When the SPFL decided the league was finished, the places at the time stand. If anyone has a legal challenge, it is the teams in the playoff places, as going by the rules, they should still be due them. However, unlike Hearts, the teams in the playoff places have accepted their fate, due to the current difficult situation. That pretty much sums things up, imo. Hearts are looking to deny promotion to clubs that are due it on merit in ofder to save themselves from their own failure. It's time they faced up to the fact that the solution that was agreed upon by a sufficient majority of their peers is the best that could be found in these extraordinary circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rudolph Hucker said: That pretty much sums things up, imo. Hearts are looking to deny promotion to clubs that are due it on merit in ofder to save themselves from their own failure. In what way would 14 team divisions as proposed by Hearts 'deny promotion' to any such club? Be extremely specific. Edited May 28, 2020 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC 1910 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 In what way would 14 team divisions as proposed by Hearts 'deny promotion' to any such club? Be extremely specific.Would it not be the case of the play off teams missing out on an opportunity (Dundee and Ayr) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, virginton said: In what way would 14 team divisions as proposed by Hearts 'deny promotion' to any such club? Be extremely specific. They're looking to deny themselves the IMMENSE and OVERWHELMING pleasure of relegation. Selfless act IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC 1910 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 If the top division is increased to 14, then surely the ‘fairest’ way would be for the top 3in the championship to move up, while the ‘relegated’ team (Hearts) remain just that - relegated. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, AUFC 1910 said: Would it not be the case of the play off teams missing out on an opportunity (Dundee and Ayr) An opportunity to win promotion through a playoff system is not the even close to being 'due' a promotion 'on merit' though. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I'd far rather we focused our attentions on working out how to get Scottish football going again. Reconstruction is not going to happen. Give it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, AUFC 1910 said: If the top division is increased to 14, then surely the ‘fairest’ way would be for the top 3in the championship to move up, while the ‘relegated’ team (Hearts) remain just that - relegated. Why should the 4th placed side be tossed aside? Either all three get promotion or none of them do. The actual fairest way to create a 14 team league is to implement it from the 21/22 season, with two automatic promotion spots as well as a 3rd v 4th playoff in this division next season. Everyone knows what they're playing for and even this dogshite Hearts side would just about slither their way back into the top flight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 minute ago, virginton said: An opportunity to win promotion through a playoff system is not the even close to being 'due' a promotion 'on merit' though. I think what we are getting at here is that Hearts are not accepting of the rules that are currently in place, finishing bottom and being relegated. However ourselves and Ayr United are accepting that we are being denied the opportunity of promotion, even though the rules state that we are still due this on where we finished. We have accepted the SPFL not following the rules in this extreme instance to our detriment. Hearts have just not accepted following the rules. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, DA Baracus said: Would love to see Budge try legal action, because it would be a costly and embarrassing failure for her. Which is why she'll never actually do it. It’s one thing being relegated unfairly and able to play on. If Hearts are put into cold storage that’s a completely different outcome. Legal action might just be the better option then 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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