Coronavirus and the Scottish Championship

[Parttimesupporter]

35 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

Probably not very difficult.  But it would have been clearer. 

had the resolution been accepted as failed on Friday night(even if the same ‘what email’ shit went on) Proper procedure would have been the spfl to state the vote had failed narrowly but they had since been contacted by a club who have indicated they are now willing to support the resolution. Therefore a further vote will be had with clubs asked to submit votes by 5pm Monday.  We’d have got to the same place but it would have been far better handled.

 

That's possible but by no means certain.  Listening to Sportsound it seems clear that some clubs are angry they they were told that the proposal was the only means to distribute money to clubs when the SPFL knew that there were other mechanisms (loans or a vote to distribute prize money without settling promotion and relegation issues).  There could have been pressure for a different proposal.  A bit academic now though.

[SUPERSOUTH]

This season is over now clubs will need to start preparing their squads for next season. With the uncertainty of when it will all start again I wonder when clubs will start talking to players ou of contract regarding next season. With most clubs players & managers furloughed will this prevent talks taking place on the near future? Hundreds of Players will be out of contract come end of May, a very difficult time for all.... 

[D.A.F.C]

There wont be any football until next year imo. Its impossible at this level.

Closed door top league in England at best

[parsforlife]

8 minutes ago, SUPERSOUTH said:

This season is over now clubs will need to start preparing their squads for next season. With the uncertainty of when it will all start again I wonder when clubs will start talking to players ou of contract regarding next season. With most clubs players & managers furloughed will this prevent talks taking place on the near future? Hundreds of Players will be out of contract come end of May, a very difficult time for all.... 

Preparing for next season is currently improssible. We have no idea when it will start. Closed doors can’t happen, it’s a logistical nightmare and financial suicide.   

The first thing that needs to happen is the spfl to clean up the rules to allow short term deals to be offered, this would make it possible for clubs to keep everyone under furlough and sort squads out once we get clarity otherwise it’s going to end up with hundreds of players without clubs/income.

[super_carson]

3 hours ago, parsforlife said:

Preparing for next season is currently improssible. We have no idea when it will start. Closed doors can’t happen, it’s a logistical nightmare and financial suicide.   

The first thing that needs to happen is the spfl to clean up the rules to allow short term deals to be offered, this would make it possible for clubs to keep everyone under furlough and sort squads out once we get clarity otherwise it’s going to end up with hundreds of players without clubs/income.

Could a club not keep the player employed at the club so they receive furlough pay, even if they aren't registered as a player?  Or is there some rule about contracts as opposed to registrations?  I thought your employer could re-hire you for the purpose of furloughing throughout this period.

[DA Baracus]

23 minutes ago, super_carson said:

Could a club not keep the player employed at the club so they receive furlough pay, even if they aren't registered as a player?  Or is there some rule about contracts as opposed to registrations?  I thought your employer could re-hire you for the purpose of furloughing throughout this period.

A lot of that will depend on how long the government will continue with the furlough scheme. Can't see it lasting beyond July, or August at the latest.

[super_carson]

26 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

A lot of that will depend on how long the government will continue with the furlough scheme. Can't see it lasting beyond July, or August at the latest.

Might find that players get offered short term contracts for the duration of the scheme for the sole purpose of being on it.  Before any new deals get offered it will depend entirely on whether or not the season starts on time/close to normal.

I saw that the Irish government have banned 5000+ events until September, and we are in a similar position with regards to number of deaths and infection, I wonder if we might see something like that here?  Means the Premiership will probably be behind closed doors, but lower league games would be largely unaffected in terms of crowds.  Of course, lots of potential problems and the like to be worked out with that and depends on the situation but I would expect there needs to be some sort of decision in the next month or so in order to allow clubs to prepare accordingly.  

[DA Baracus]

2 minutes ago, super_carson said:

Might find that players get offered short term contracts for the duration of the scheme for the sole purpose of being on it.  Before any new deals get offered it will depend entirely on whether or not the season starts on time/close to normal.

I saw that the Irish government have banned 5000+ events until September, and we are in a similar position with regards to number of deaths and infection, I wonder if we might see something like that here?  Means the Premiership will probably be behind closed doors, but lower league games would be largely unaffected in terms of crowds.  Of course, lots of potential problems and the like to be worked out with that and depends on the situation but I would expect there needs to be some sort of decision in the next month or so in order to allow clubs to prepare accordingly.  

Empty stadium games are not sustainable for the vast majority of Scottish football. 

Can't see crowds of up to 5000 being allowed either.

But we shall see.

[Skyline Drifter]

1 hour ago, super_carson said:

Could a club not keep the player employed at the club so they receive furlough pay, even if they aren't registered as a player?  Or is there some rule about contracts as opposed to registrations?  I thought your employer could re-hire you for the purpose of furloughing throughout this period.

I wondered about this, sort of. I was wondering if you could effectively re-contract all the players to an "admin role" and continue to pay them on furlough. I presume that wouldn't be allowed as it's a change of role, and not a genuine one, but I don't know for sure. 

Effectively what you are suggesting is a cleverer version by re-contracting the players to playing contracts BUT NOT REGISTERING THEM. I suppose that's conceivably possible although possibly also a breach of the scheme in that in reality they can't BE players if they aren't registered as such. Also not sure where you'd stand if you then ended these "unregistered contracts" early because restrictions were lifted. You'd need some legal advice. The player's union should be looking into stuff like this. An awful lot of their members have this situation coming up in the next 4 or 5 weeks. I imagine a lot of League One and League Two players may be out of contract in mid-May.

48 minutes ago, super_carson said:

Might find that players get offered short term contracts for the duration of the scheme for the sole purpose of being on it.  Before any new deals get offered it will depend entirely on whether or not the season starts on time/close to normal.

As I've posted before, the minimum length of a registered playing contract is to the first day of the next window. So you can renew a playing contract due to run out shortly ONCE on a short term basis. As long as they sign it before 9th June and before their present one runs out then it can run to any day you like after 9th June. But the first time they need recontracted after 9th June it has to run to 1st January.

So you could give players an extra month to say the end of June which is when furlough runs to right now but if furlough is extended (and lets face it we're not going to be back in action for 1st July) then the player at that point either goes unemployed or you have to sign him through to January.

Of course you could give him a contract through to say mid August now but then we end up getting back earlier than anticipated, furlough is dropped at the end of June and you are left paying in full a player you maybe don't intend to retain for an extra two months. Or we don't get back but the furlough scheme is discontinued and you have to pay him to sit still. I doubt many clubs will take those risks.

[weetoonlad]

Several clubs on the brink 

[weetoonlad]

Both Qos and Dunfermline might just be two. Hope not 

[Skyline Drifter]

1 hour ago, weetoonlad said:

Both Qos and Dunfermline might just be two. Hope not 

Ooft. 

Good stuff wtl. Thanks for the warning. Appreciated.

[Chicken Wing]

Both Qos and Dunfermline might just be two. Hope not 

What do your "sources" say?

Slavering, attention seeking hoor.

[Derry Alli]

6 hours ago, weetoonlad said:

Both Qos and Dunfermline might just be two. Hope not 

You're hoping more clubs go to the wall? 

Strange laddie. 

[Granny Danger]

12 minutes ago, Dele said:

You're hoping more clubs go to the wall? 

Strange laddie. 

Nah just an attention seeker.

There’s a few posters spread across the forums who can only get attention by being ‘edgy’, or contrary, or just spouting shite.

This guy thinks he fits one of the first two categories but in reality it’s the third.

[weetoonlad]

Only time will tell guys but I don't think people realise how bad it is some clubs are really struggling spoke to one club chairman yesterday and he said if we don't get playing football till Sept then they might Not survive. Sad sad times guys 

Listen guys please understand we are in a Terrible pandemic all over the world no football maybe this year simple 

Stay safe Stay home help the NHS 

SPFL are working hard for all clubs not just a Few 

Edited April 26, 2020 by weetoonlad

[RandomGuy.]

10 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:

I imagine a lot of League One and League Two players may be out of contract in mid-May.

I suppose if it's not possible to extend deals and continue to furlough players, this could be a situation where part time players might be better off than full time players, if that makes sense?

Part time players will, for the most part, have another job they will continue to get a wage through. Full time players who go out of contract are less likely to have that.

[Ad Lib]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Nah just an attention seeker.

There’s a few posters spread across the forums who can only get attention by being ‘edgy’, or contrary, or just spouting shite.

This guy thinks he fits one of the first two categories but in reality it’s the third.

You’re well acquainted with category three, so you speak advisedly.

[weetoonlad]

Most clubs have asked players to sign 8 weeks extension to their present contracts. To cover u until end July 

Imo I don't think there will be any football May June or July. But players still want payed 

85% of clubs don't have the cash sitting in a drawer just to hand out 

We're is Aberdeen getting 1m a month to survive 

We're is Dunfermline getting 150.000 month to survive 

We're is Cove getting 80.000 a month to survive 

Wake up smell the coffee guys 

The Scottish Government will guide the SPFL on when they can start football simple 

Edited April 26, 2020 by weetoonlad

[Dan Danger]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

Nah just an attention seeker.

There’s a few posters spread across the forums who can only get attention by being ‘edgy’, or contrary, or just spouting shite.

This guy thinks he fits one of the first two categories but in reality it’s the third.

Nobody spouts more shite than you on here