Rob1885 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Dunfermline finished 12th in the SPL for season 11/12. Following Rangers expulsion from the league, the fairest thing to do would have been no relegation. Despite that not happening, no legal action was taken then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Dunfermline finished 12th in the SPL for season 11/12. Following Rangers expulsion from the league, the fairest thing to do would have been no relegation. Despite that not happening, no legal action was taken then.Dunfermline had already been relegated from the league when Rangers were expelled, and therefore were no more an SPL club than anyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 In terms of timing yes, technically. The situation was still up in the air in early July. The point is that Dunfermline took the decision made by members of the governing body they were a part of at the time, despite having more than enough reason to feel hard done by.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/scotland/18741678 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DreamOakTree1 said: 14 hours ago, The Master said: One thing that’s been made 100% clear if it wasn’t already, is that every club is only interested in it’s own circumstances, and will act with complete disregard for the welfare, development or future of Scottish Football. When I say every club, I probably mean every club chairman, as frustratingly managers, players or fans’ views are not taken into account. For this reason I am not completely certain this legal action is a bad thing, albeit the two clubs are also acting in their own interests. The possible benefits I would hope would come out of it include the following: 1. An end to the undemocratic voting system, replaced with a system that allows a simple majority vote to carry the motion. 2. The possibility the case could uncover what happened with Dundee’s vote on ending account.. The disbanding of the current ruling bodies of Scottish Football, to be replaced by a single forward thinking body with true leadership. 4. The inclusion of the collective voices of managers, players and fans in any potential changes to the framework of Scottish Football. 5. Certain smug, arrogant and inscrutable club chairmen getting a taste of their own medicine. Fingers Crossed! Jesus wept. You couldnt even work the quote function properly but you want included in "potential changes to the framework of Scottish football"? Edited June 19, 2020 by Skyline Drifter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, DreamOakTree1 said: 15 hours ago, The Master said: One thing that’s been made 100% clear if it wasn’t already, is that every club is only interested in it’s own circumstances, and will act with complete disregard for the welfare, development or future of Scottish Football. When I say every club, I probably mean every club chairman, as frustratingly managers, players or fans’ views are not taken into account. For this reason I am not completely certain this legal action is a bad thing, albeit the two clubs are also acting in their own interests. The possible benefits I would hope would come out of it include the following: 1. An end to the undemocratic voting system, replaced with a system that allows a simple majority vote to carry the motion. 2. The possibility the case could uncover what happened with Dundee’s vote on ending account.. The disbanding of the current ruling bodies of Scottish Football, to be replaced by a single forward thinking body with true leadership. 4. The inclusion of the collective voices of managers, players and fans in any potential changes to the framework of Scottish Football. 5. Certain smug, arrogant and inscrutable club chairmen getting a taste of their own medicine. Fingers Crossed! Well, no. The probably results of this lawsuit are one of three: 1) Tossed out quickly, possibly in conjunction with Hearts and Partick Thistle being tossed out of the SPFL. 2) Delays to the 2020-2021 Season, financial crunch for teams and the SPFL fails and enters Administration. Tweedledee and Tweedledumb choose their eight to ten favorite dwarfs and launch a new league, excluding Hearts and Partick. The remainder of the ex-SPFL teams flounder around trying to form another league. Hearts and Partick Thistle fold due to expenses and no income as the SPFL has no means to pay the fines, plus the fact no one will join with them in a league. 3) The sides reach an agreement, which means that in future any reasonably large team stands a fair chance of blackmailing the SPFL into bailing their asses out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 hours ago, craigkillie said: Dunfermline had already been relegated from the league when Rangers were expelled, and therefore were no more an SPL club than anyone else. Probably more of an SPL club than Dundee were tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 That's exactly what it says. What part of those says that the individual leagues decide when to start and how many games to play.A4 is a definition of a season and specifically mentions the Board deciding on that.C11.3 is about which clubs are entitled to play in which league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Aye that rule was definitely going to be changed on behalf of the Scottish leagues, despite the fact that players are currently preparing leaving clubs across Europe from July 1 and will not be able play for their new clubs after that date. The plain fact of the matter is that Partick already had the chance to build two squads over the course of the season and made an arse of both of them. You don't get a third chance as well, so get doon. You realise that it is the Scottish leagues that the board of the SPFL should be concerned with ? Have you come across any reference in the rules that say we need to defer to EUFA or FIFA ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Hearts and Partick can play each other every week in front of capacity crowds with no segregation to raise funds for their court case. You need to keep up. Thistles fees are being paid for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Dunfermline finished 12th in the SPL for season 11/12. Following Rangers expulsion from the league, the fairest thing to do would have been no relegation. Despite that not happening, no legal action was taken then.Maybe their Directors knew what was coming a few months later and that competing in the SPL would only have accelerated that ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: You realise that it is the Scottish leagues that the board of the SPFL should be concerned with ? Have you come across any reference in the rules that say we need to defer to EUFA or FIFA ? Well yes, of course they do: https://www.fifa.com/who-we-are/legal/tms/ Quote REGISTRATION PERIODS Each FIFA member association has to define two official registration periods for each season of professional men’s and women’s football. Scotland's second registration period expired on January 31 and you don't get another one in the season. There are no exceptions or special case pleading for this rule. Thanks for playing anyway and get doon. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Saltire said: Scottish football has not applied fairness in other situations. The 1939/40 season was ended after 5 matches in the First Division and 4 in the Second. Ayr United and Alloa Athletic finished above Clyde who were placed in the 1946-47 A Division whilst the two higher placed teams were consigned to B Division. Dundee were top of the suspended Second Division but were not promoted. Morton were placed in the A Division having been in 15th place in the Second Division. There were regional war-time competitions but the Scottish Football League was suspended. The accusations of carve-up were flying around. The Famous: the true establishment club of Scottish football. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: You realise that it is the Scottish leagues that the board of the SPFL should be concerned with ? Have you come across any reference in the rules that say we need to defer to EUFA or FIFA ? SFA Articles, 5.2(c(vii)): "Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players, and shall use its best endeavours to procure that its Team Staff, its employees, its Team Scout(s) (other than its officials, its Team Officials or players be subject to and shall comply with: any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport;" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jagsfan57 said: Maybe their Directors knew what was coming a few months later and that competing in the SPL would only have accelerated that ? It was more that the spl knew what was coming. We had already failed to pay wages on time(blaming rangers). And minutes after relegation we had begged the spl for our first parachute payment. I can’t quite remember the timing if it was before or after the decision but I’m pretty sure we then went back and got them to pay our 2nd season parachute money not too long after. Had we stayed up that money would then have to be taken out of the prize money payments we’d have been due and our poor side from the year before would have been working with an even smaller budget. We might have hobbled on longer but the spl would have been dealing with a side uncompetitive on the pitch and a complete mess off of it. It was an easy decision for them to make it the sfl’s problem. Had we been stable off the pitch at the time I think a different decision would have been made. But we weren’t and certainly weren’t in a position that we could challenge it. Edited June 19, 2020 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluearmyfaction Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 18 hours ago, paulbrucerick said: Embarrassment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Scotland's second registration period expired on January 31 and you don't get another one in the season. There are no exceptions or special case pleading for this rule. Thanks for playing anyway and get doon. Where is the reference in the Scottish league rules, though ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Where is the reference in the Scottish league rules, though ? Give it a rest! Get doon to the League One forum. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Where is the reference in the Scottish league rules, though ? It's in this post here. 3 hours ago, Stag Nation said: SFA Articles, 5.2(c(vii)): "Each member shall procure that its officials, its Team Officials and its players, and shall use its best endeavours to procure that its Team Staff, its employees, its Team Scout(s) (other than its officials, its Team Officials or players be subject to and shall comply with: any statutes, regulations, directives, codes, decisions promulgated by the Board, the Professional Game Board, the Non-Professional Game Board, the Judicial Panel, a Committee or sub-committee, FIFA, UEFA or the Court of Arbitration for Sport;" You appear to be advocating for the SPFL to become some sort of guerilla football league choosing to play outside of the normal football regulatory framework purely in an attempt to extend a lower league season which the vast majority of the clubs were quite happy to end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 hours ago, jagsfan57 said: What part of those says that the individual leagues decide when to start and how many games to play. A4 is a definition of a season and specifically mentions the Board deciding on that. C11.3 is about which clubs are entitled to play in which league Yes, the Board decides when the season starts and finishes. They decided to have a vote on this (even though they didn't have to) and went along with what the majority of members wanted (even though they didn't have to). The position you end up in once the season has finished determines what league you play in the following season. It's not difficult. Get doon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 6 hours ago, jagsfan57 said: EUFA 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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