Poet of the Macabre Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 What is a “Falkirk”? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Toby said: Nah, not having that bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said: Why do you think all the Falkirk fans are suddenly coming out from under this rock and acting pally with Hearts & Partick Thistle fans? A few, no more. Most of us are either understanding of the situation or just too worn down by perennial gargantuan ineptitude from our club and the authorities to be arsed any more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shandon Par said: I’d genuinely rather be reading yet again about how this summer’s crop of Falkirk boy band signings are going to win The Championship League One than all the bleating about how unfair everything is. Having seen that last year, no you wouldn’t! Edited June 17, 2020 by TxRover 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb123! Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Think the best way in the future to get reconstruction to happen will be for the SPFL to publish changes which will happen in say 2 seasons time instead of 2 months. This would remove a lot of the internal 'self interest' bickering about "reconstruction favouring the likes of Dundee, Hearts, Partick and Inverness" as the clubs wouldn't know who's going to be where in two years time. I think it's inevitable reconstruction will happen soon enough in the future, i reckon the next 5 years. Now just wasn't the time because it was rushed and the SPFL destroyed the trust between clubs with the fiasco vote involving Dundee right at the start of this. After that the clubs were always going to do whatever they liked instead of listen to the league leaders. The aftermath of that vote and self interest i can best think of describing as your boss not following the health and safety rules but then expecting all their employees to follow them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 hours ago, rb123! said: Think the best way in the future to get reconstruction to happen will be for the SPFL to publish changes which will happen in say 2 seasons time instead of 2 months. This would remove a lot of the internal 'self interest' bickering about "reconstruction favouring the likes of Dundee, Hearts, Partick and Inverness" as the clubs wouldn't know who's going to be where in two years time. I think it's inevitable reconstruction will happen soon enough in the future, i reckon the next 5 years. Now just wasn't the time because it was rushed and the SPFL destroyed the trust between clubs with the fiasco vote involving Dundee right at the start of this. After that the clubs were always going to do whatever they liked instead of listen to the league leaders. The aftermath of that vote and self interest i can best think of describing as your boss not following the health and safety rules but then expecting all their employees to follow them. Why is reconstruction desirable or inevitable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMIP Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 53 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Why is reconstruction desirable or inevitable? Reconstruction means the big clubs voting to get less money. Draw your own conclusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoraith Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Exactly. There was no talk of, and seemingly no appetite for, reconstruction before March of this year. What we have isn’t perfect but it’s probably the best solution. Reconstruction has only been on the table in order to stop relegations from an incomplete season. What is desperately needed is a redistribution of the prize money so that it doesn’t so heavily favour the premier, and the top two in particular, but that’s never going to happen. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, HMIP said: Reconstruction means the big clubs voting to get less money. Draw your own conclusion. The distribution of wealth could be altered without changing how many sides populate each division. It's not going to be, but the two needn't be, and aren't, synonymous. A feature of this has been, as noted above, that any clamour for reconstruction has been motivated purely by a desire to prevent some clubs, especially Hearts, from facing relegation following a curtailed season. The failure to get this through is due in part, to the fact that this has so blatantly been the case. There's not really been a strong argument put forward by anyone - least of all shouty Budge and English - about why reconstruction is intrinsically a good thing. I don't see why it is, and I'm afraid that simply saying and assuming that it's somehow non-specifically beneficial, won't change that. Edited June 17, 2020 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 5 hours ago, rb123! said: Think the best way in the future to get reconstruction to happen will be for the SPFL to publish changes which will happen in say 2 seasons time instead of 2 months. This would remove a lot of the internal 'self interest' bickering about "reconstruction favouring the likes of Dundee, Hearts, Partick and Inverness" as the clubs wouldn't know who's going to be where in two years time. I think it's inevitable reconstruction will happen soon enough in the future, i reckon the next 5 years. Now just wasn't the time because it was rushed and the SPFL destroyed the trust between clubs with the fiasco vote involving Dundee right at the start of this. After that the clubs were always going to do whatever they liked instead of listen to the league leaders. The aftermath of that vote and self interest i can best think of describing as your boss not following the health and safety rules but then expecting all their employees to follow them. Are you suggesting that the SPFL can just make changes to the league structure themselves, any time they fancy? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Take a look at the rules. Also the government guidance has played a role in it too as the Premiership being able to start is in a different phase to the other leagues. You're at it though. You know all this fine. You're crying like it's a regular season upcoming, but you know fine well why it's different. 'Beggars belief' [emoji28] You're either monumentally thick or absolutely at it.I am asking you what rule it is, since you are adamant it is there. I will look forward to reading about each divisions meeting to decide when to start and how many games to play every season from now on.Actually the fact that it isn’t and wasn’t a regular season is my point. There have been too many excuses put forward about prize money, player contracts etc not being able to be implemented because it’s not normal - but here you are now saying things are different so we need to do things differently. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Poet of the Macabre said: What is a “Falkirk”? A church that Americans visit in the autumn? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Wait. Are you now wanting the legal case you're jointly mounting, to re-visit officials' decisions on the field?No I am saying the fixtures should all have been played. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The results for the season stood for everyone. The SPFL clubs overwhelmingly voted for all 42 places to be decided on a points per game basis. They also overwhelmingly voted to cancel the play-offs this season.Actually when that 1st vote was taken it was only for the 3 lower tiers. The Premiership didn’t decide to finish until later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: I am asking you what rule it is, since you are adamant it is there. I will look forward to reading about each divisions meeting to decide when to start and how many games to play every season from now on. Actually the fact that it isn’t and wasn’t a regular season is my point. There have been too many excuses put forward about prize money, player contracts etc not being able to be implemented because it’s not normal - but here you are now saying things are different so we need to do things differently. You're being serious here, aren't you? Wow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Reconstruction means the big clubs voting to get less money. Draw your own conclusion.Has anybody anywhere done any analysis on how much less money each club would get ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 You're being serious here, aren't you? Wow.So no rule yet ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Actually when that 1st vote was taken it was only for the 3 lower tiers. The Premiership didn’t decide to finish until later. The original vote determined that the points per game mechanism would be used for all four leagues and ended the three lower leagues. The Premiership clubs later unanimously agreed that their season couldn't be played out, which meant that the rules from the original vote applied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: No I am saying the fixtures should all have been played. When? With which players? and being paid by what income stream? There was absolutely no chance of finishing the Championship and below. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jagsfan57 said: So no rule yet ? C42, G1, G3, G4 and G5 cover it. https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/files/shares/SPFL Rules and Regulations 1-Jun-20 (MASTER COPY) CLEAN.pdf Edited June 17, 2020 by DA Baracus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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