Coronavirus and the Scottish Championship

[RandomGuy.]

Just now, johnnydun said:

It should affect league position though.

You can't just have teams refusing to play a season and then expect to be placed back in the same league the following season.

If teams say they won't be able to afford it then they, just like any other season, should budget and spend within their means. (I know this is a bit rich coming from a Dundee fan.)

Do clubs need to apply to be in the league at the start of every season?

Yeah, but if what the majority of a division votes to delay until January, but Dundee/Partick/Falkirk etc., decide they want to play?

Either that or it goes the opposite way and most clubs want to start as normal, but a few dont. Not sure if you could, at Championship level, just forfeit games until January, and then register a whole squad at the same time as fans are allowed back. 

No idea, be interested to see how this all unfolds tbh.

[johnnydun]

2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Yeah, but if what the majority of a division votes to delay until January, but Dundee/Partick/Falkirk etc., decide they want to play?

Either that or it goes the opposite way and most clubs want to start as normal, but a few dont. Not sure if you could, at Championship level, just forfeit games until January, and then register a whole squad at the same time as fans are allowed back. 

No idea, be interested to see how this all unfolds tbh.

Probably would be down to a vote.

I think it would be too close to call, as most are part time teams and their players would not be solely reliant on wages from the club, so may be willing to play, just for playing's sake.

[johnnydun]

That's the Prem given the go-ahead if all goes to plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52843448

Edited May 29, 2020 by johnnydun

[parsforlife]

26 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

It would be interesting to know if, on the basis that a lot of clubs wants to delay until January, whether the teams who want to play would accept a temporary league structure with the knowledge it wont affect their league position at all.

That would be better. Basically an invite Covid league for clubs outside of the premiership.

8 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

It should affect league position though.

You can't just have teams refusing to play a season and then expect to be placed back in the same league the following season.

If teams say they won't be able to afford it then they, just like any other season, should budget and spend within their means. (I know this is a bit rich coming from a Dundee fan.)

Do clubs need to apply to be in the league at the start of every season?

Random Guy kinda covered this,  there 2 ways this could come about. 1. Majority Clubs choose to resume under closed door conditions. Some clubs then choose they are still not playing and take a voluntary regelation to a lower division that has not resumed. 

2. majority decide not to play but others have a keen desire to play whilst we wait, then it would be fair to create a covid league that would run until the normal season starts.

[DA Baracus]

Are folk still genuinely believing that big bad Brechin hold some mad level of power and that, because their chairman is one of the SPFL board members, what they say goes and they can change things themselves to suit?

[Parttimesupporter]

7 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

That would be better. Basically an invite Covid league for clubs outside of the premiership.

Random Guy kinda covered this,  there 2 ways this could come about. 1. Majority Clubs choose to resume under closed door conditions. Some clubs then choose they are still not playing and take a voluntary regelation to a lower division that has not resumed. 

2. majority decide not to play but others have a keen desire to play whilst we wait, then it would be fair to create a covid league that would run until the normal season starts.

2 - why would clubs want to play a series of friendlies until the normal season starts?  

[Fifes Elite Force]

2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Are folk still genuinely believing that big bad Brechin hold some mad level of power and that, because their chairman is one of the SPFL board members, what they say goes and they can change things themselves to suit?

If this is reference to my post then no. But I would still expect a level meltdown from some folk (mainly hearts fans) if the scenario happened.

[parsforlife]

1 minute ago, Parttimesupporter said:

2 - why would clubs want to play a series of friendlies until the normal season starts?  

That’s up for them to decide. But if clubs like Dundee are banging the drum to play then this would give them the opportunity to do if as expected most don’t want too.  They can buy a wee trophy for it to make someone feel special or even make this tournament the challenge cup for 2020-2021(ok much the same thing )

[Parttimesupporter]

7 minutes ago, parsforlife said:

That’s up for them to decide. But if clubs like Dundee are banging the drum to play then this would give them the opportunity to do if as expected most don’t want too.  They can buy a wee trophy for it to make someone feel special or even make this tournament the challenge cup for 2020-2021(ok much the same thing )

I suspect the original suggestion was a bit tongue in cheek?  The option of a delayed start is presumably based on the assumption that normal crowd levels will be allowed by January 2021.  There is a risk that there is a second spike in the autumn and we have to take a step back.  Obviously that is also a risk if the Championship starts in September/October, and must the Premiership's worst nightmare.

[ecto]

When we do return, surely it will be the death of the challenge cup

[Nowhereman]

When we do return, surely it will be the death of the challenge cup

Hopefully

[Jerry Macguire]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

Stupid souped up outfit: a club that is flinging Championship level money at mercenaries to clamber out of the abyss of Scottish football (see also 'Gretna', 2003-2008). 

Glorified social club: a football team that has no significant social footprint outside of those employed by it or the blazers in the boardroom taking comps every other week (see also Edusport/'Caledonian Braves')

Credible fan base: one that is actually based on sustained, generational support with a community, rather than some fly by nights who rocked up with a scarf for the first time for a home' TV cup tie held 40-odd miles from the area it is supposed to represent. Which brings us full circle back to BSC Glasgow.

If people really think that national level, professional football should be resumed on an 'everybody who wants to play, join in' principle then these are the sort of stupid outfits that could be elevated well above their standing on sporting merit or indeed general credibility.

Kelty have spent big money. No denying it but is that any different to many clubs up and down the divisions? Everyone rushes to hold Gretna up as an example but only the guys running Kelty know what is and isn’t sustainable. Let them get on with it is what I say.

No social footprint. The club has in excess of 500 members all involved in multi-sports activities. We have a very successful netball team. We have football at youth level from primary school age through to u20s, we have 2 men’s amateur teams playing in Saturday and Sunday leagues and we have a women’s team. That’s a better social footprint than most SPFL clubs.

Sustained, generational support. We’ve been going for 6 years ya nugget.

The club is desperate to get back playing in Glasgow but it won’t create financial suicide in the process. This is something that should please you judging by your distain for clubs spending beyond their means (allegedly) You only know us because we played Hibs in the Scottish but in our 6 years we’ve played four cup finals winning 2, had two 3rd place finishes and one runners up in the league. I know clubs going for over 100 years that would kill to have a record like ours. We’re a club going in the right direction and will attract support given time.

As for your final point. I’ve no clue what your on about. Sorry.

 

 

 

[Thereisalight..]

Caught a snippet on the news and they mentioned 1st Aug for a resumption of play in Scotland. Is this just Premiership or other leagues as well? 

[vikingTON]

Any SPFL club would be waltzing to cup finals if they were up against utter dung like Vale of Leithen, Dalbeattie Star and 'Berwick Rangers' every week. The only major plus point about the junior bumpkins entering the pyramid is that they'll effortlessly punt stupid outfits like Caledonian Braves and yourselves down to the 9th tier where you belong.

Edited May 29, 2020 by vikingTON

[Monkey Tennis]

2 hours ago, johnnydun said:

It should affect league position though.

You can't just have teams refusing to play a season and then expect to be placed back in the same league the following season.

If teams say they won't be able to afford it then they, just like any other season, should budget and spend within their means. (I know this is a bit rich coming from a Dundee fan.)

Do clubs need to apply to be in the league at the start of every season?

It would be madness though, would it not, after all the craziness of fifteen years ago which has now somewhat settled, to be asking clubs to risk their lives in some bonkers gamble, whereby those who choose not to participate are penalised.

VT  Is right.  This would be an invitation to any 'ambitious' idiot with no foundations to launch a club upwards.  Imagine what an egotistical clown like Mileson would have done with such an opportunity.

[Jerry Macguire]

32 minutes ago, virginton said:

Any SPFL club would be waltzing to cup finals if they were up against utter dung like Vale of Leithen, Dalbeattie Star and 'Berwick Rangers' every week. The only major plus point about the junior bumpkins entering the pyramid is that they'll effortlessly punt stupid outfits like Caledonian Braves and yourselves down to the 9th tier where you belong.

Dont forget we also waltzed into the 5th round of the Scottish beating the likes of East Fife along the way. Kelty Hearts, Bonnyrigg Rose, BSC, Spartans, East Kilbride have all proven themselves in the Scottish Cup, Betfred and Chocolate Biscuit Cup in recent seasons. Edinburgh City have also given a good showing since gaining promotion.  But you keep kidding yourself on, we'll  be with you soon enough.

[vikingTON]

38 minutes ago, Jerry Macguire said:

Dont forget we also waltzed into the 5th round of the Scottish beating the likes of East Fife along the way. Kelty Hearts, Bonnyrigg Rose, BSC, Spartans, East Kilbride have all proven themselves in the Scottish Cup, Betfred and Chocolate Biscuit Cup in recent seasons. Edinburgh City have also given a good showing since gaining promotion.  But you keep kidding yourself on, we'll  be with you soon enough.

Given the fact that Bonnyrigg effortlessly punted you down the pecking order at the first time of asking, you're fooling absolutely nobody with that line. This season in fact is as good as it will ever get for your glorified social club in Scottish football; best to go back to the netball instead.

Edited May 29, 2020 by vikingTON

[vikingTON]

3 hours ago, Fifes Elite Force said:

Kelty is slightly different in that they arnt part of the spfl and in the example I have given it's the spfl that are  not allowing businesses to trade and even worse allow some members to trade and others not. Scottish football isn't above the law of the land, and a court won't care what the internal procedures are or have a tough shit attitude. What they will try to establish if any business in question has been unfairly treated and had their freedom to trade as a viable business taken away when it shouldn't have.

Erm no - the government would in fact be the body responsible for 'not allowing businesses to trade' by not actually letting the businesses' customers through the door in the first place. The ultimate decision on what grounds to start the lower leagues will also almost certainly be determined by the majority of the clubs affected in that particular division. There is then as much legal basis for complaint as with Hearts' utterly ridiculous posturing over the current season being called. The sooner that Scottish football clubs stop phoning the nearest Lionel Hutz figure and parroting whatever bullshit line that they were fed to try and rack up hours of fruitless case work time, the easier it will be for the adults in the room to make sensible decisions.

[davidy233]

1 hour ago, Thereisalight.. said:

Caught a snippet on the news and they mentioned 1st Aug for a resumption of play in Scotland. Is this just Premiership or other leagues as well? 

Just Premiership

[Thereisalight..]

12 minutes ago, davidy233 said:

Just Premiership

Was hoping it would be the championship as well