Coronavirus and the Scottish Championship

[johnnydun]

Just now, invergowrie arab said:

 

Football clubs don't use prepaid cards 

Yeah, so a quarterly estimated bill that can be changed by giving the real figures?

[Rudolph Hucker]

13 minutes ago, R.R.FC said:

I would like to think this is fishing but I fear Falkirk fans actually think they have some sort of massive support. The ‘blue pound’ brought us one 1000+ away support in 3 visits this season. Dundee brought over 200 more fans for a pre season league cup game in July than you did for a top of the table clash in March which was your highest turnout against us. 

Your first two visits you brought similar numbers to East Fife. Dunfermline bring more away fans to Starks in one visit than you did in our 3 games this season combined.

Telt! 

[Nightmare]

@RandomGuy. That system would essentially mean a dead rubber of a season for a lot of clubs in Scottish football. It has its merits which may see it voted in by top flight clubs; it would save Hearts, it provides more security for the mid-table clubs in the long-term, there would be more match-day income for all and it keeps 4 OF games. But in 20/21 crowds and the level of squads could take a hit if clubs decide not to spend any money knowing they’re safe anyway.

It would also f**k over Dundee United and Cove especially in the short term, the former of whom really can’t afford another season in the second tier.

[Tannadeechee]

Just a question on reconstruction, why does every idea have a split, or some convoluted mini league type nonsense?

Don't like the split never have done, would love to have it gone. Would love to have a set up where we only played each other twice, would bring the league much closer together at the top and allow the potential of, or at least allow he illusion of at least, a different winner.  In this case possibly 16 teams and expand the League Cup to include more guaranteed games to help with shortfall in games, as an idea.

If the SPFL have signed with Sky a deal that requires 4 games of them again, after the hassle last time, it does beggar belief, but would seem par for the course with this lot. If this isn't the case would those showing leagues recon with a split change your minds?

[invergowrie arab]

Just now, johnnydun said:

Yeah, so a quarterly estimated bill that can be changed by giving the real figures?

Are you really this thick?

Expenses incurred in the month of March won't even have been invoiced yet.

Stewards, food and drink suppliers,programme suppliers, hospitality suppliers, physios/gyms,laundrettes

Business rates, water rates, gas, electricity, phone, broadband, sky packages will be ongoing costs, as will any contracts with maintenance companies or office suppliers. The stadium and offices will still have weekly, fortnightly and monthly maintenance requirements.

Building insurance, public liability insurance.

That's all off top of my head, there will doubtless be more.

These are all costs almost every club will incur, the further down the ladder you go the proportion of staff cost to other costs drops and the effect of furloughing staff becomes less and less of a benefit.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Just a question on reconstruction, why does every idea have a split, or some convoluted mini league type nonsense?
Don't like the split never have done, would love to have it gone. Would love to have a set up where we only played each other twice, would bring the league much closer together at the top and allow the potential of, or at least allow he illusion of at least, a different winner.  In this case possibly 16 teams and expand the League Cup to include more guaranteed games to help with shortfall in games, as an idea.
If the SPFL have signed with Sky a deal that requires 4 games of them again, after the hassle last time, it does beggar belief, but would seem par for the course with this lot. If this isn't the case would those showing leagues recon with a split change your minds?

It's to maintain 4 OF games for TV.

[Jacksgranda]

20 hours ago, Jock Tamson said:

The use of the words "there,they're, and their" on this thread is utterly shocking.

Misuse, shirley?

[Spring Onion]

55 minutes ago, 101 said:

Going way back to Dele's idea of evenly splitting the prize pot which would mean everyone would get £595,000 nice wee bonus for Brechin who should have received £45,000 and Dundee United who would get a £30,000 lift

How do you work that out? I'm sure I read there is about 7 - 8 million left to distribute between the 42 clubs. Most of the other money has been given to clubs throughout the season in installments. They got a payment only a few weeks ago.

[Shadow Play]

48 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Raith chairman claiming theyll be in administration by "July/August" if they dont recieve their final payment of prize money by then.

-They can furlough staff.

-Their business rates will be suspended 

-very low gas and electricity usage at present.

As well as the above they can also apply for the Business Interruption Loan Scheme.  If the loan is less than £250,000 no personal guarantee should be sought by the lender.  If the loan is in excess of £250,000 it is likely a personal guarantee is required.

Of course, before any loan is granted, there would need to be an assessment as to whether the company if a viable ongoing concern.  Taking emotions out of the equation (not easy to do when football is concerned) I do not know if Raith Rovers do have a believable business plan going forward.

 

[Nightmare]

3 minutes ago, Tannadeechee said:

Just a question on reconstruction, why does every idea have a split, or some convoluted mini league type nonsense?

Don't like the split never have done, would love to have it gone. Would love to have a set up where we only played each other twice, would bring the league much closer together at the top and allow the potential of, or at least allow he illusion of at least, a different winner.  In this case possibly 16 teams and expand the League Cup to include more guaranteed games to help with shortfall in games, as an idea.

If the SPFL have signed with Sky a deal that requires 4 games of them again, after the hassle last time, it does beggar belief, but would seem par for the course with this lot. If this isn't the case would those showing leagues recon with a split change your minds?

1. 4 OF games for TV purposes.

2. A loss of match day income - a 16-team league with no split would see top flight clubs lose 4 home games. That’s a fair chunk of cash they’d be voting to lose out on.

[Rudolph Hucker]

16 minutes ago, johnnydun said:

Their furloughed office staff and the gas and electric on a closed building?

How about the 20%wage bill for furloughed staff,  the upkeep of the pitch, the groundstaff wages and a few office staff and the ongoing cost of stadium maintenance? Hardly "nothing", is it?

A few of the Dundee fans on here  have certainly proved themselves as being amongst the hard of thinking recently....... 

[johnnydun]

Just now, invergowrie arab said:

Are you really this thick?

Expenses incurred in the month of March won't even have been invoiced yet.

Stewards, food and drink suppliers,programme suppliers, hospitality suppliers, physios/gyms,laundrettes

Business rates, water rates, gas, electricity, phone, broadband, sky packages will be ongoing costs, as will any contracts with maintenance companies or office suppliers. The stadium and offices will still have weekly, fortnightly and monthly maintenance requirements.

Building insurance, public liability insurance.

That's all off top of my head, there will doubtless be more.

These are all costs almost every club will incur, the further down the ladder you go the proportion of staff cost to other costs drops and the effect of furloughing staff becomes less and less of a benefit.

FFS.

They say they have enough until July/August which will mean March's invoices will have been paid.

They are just like any other business right now, but still have the chance of a cash injection.

So no, it's you that's thick.

[RandomGuy.]

9 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

@RandomGuy. That system would essentially mean a dead rubber of a season for a lot of clubs in Scottish football. It has its merits which may see it voted in by top flight clubs; it would save Hearts, it provides more security for the mid-table clubs in the long-term, there would be more match-day income for all and it keeps 4 OF games. But in 20/21 crowds and the level of squads could take a hit if clubs decide not to spend any money knowing they’re safe anyway.

It would also f**k over Dundee United and Cove especially in the short term, the former of whom really can’t afford another season in the second tier.

You think?

Tip flight would be, as I don't think I plotted any relegation, which is an error on my point.

Put a relegation spot in the top flight, and in 2020/21 the set up is...

Premiership - Bottom relegated

Championship - Top 5 promoted

League One - Top 9 into Tier 2, bottom into Tier 3. Dead rubber league really, but most will end in Tier 2 instead of 3, so doubt they'd be hugely gutted.

League Two. Top team into Tier 2, rest into Tier 3. Much the same as it is.

So League One would be the biggest problem, but it would depend on if a team gets cut adrift or not.

Edited April 12, 2020 by RandomGuy.

[johnnydun]

1 minute ago, Rudolph Hucker said:

How about the 20%wage bill for furloughed staff,  the upkeep of the pitch, the groundstaff wages and a few office staff and the ongoing cost of stadium maintenance? Hardly "nothing", is it?

A few of the Dundee fans on here  have certainly proved themselves as being amongst the hard of thinking recently....... 

The 20% they don't have to pay you mean?

[invergowrie arab]

Just now, johnnydun said:

FFS.

They say they have enough until July/August which will mean March's invoices will have been paid.

They are just like any other business right now, but still have the chance of a cash injection.

So no, it's you that's thick.

It means they have enough cash in hand to pay them not that they have been paid.

Do you know what budgeting is?

 

[third lanark]

9 hours ago, itzdrk said:

Partick Thistle & Inverness not coming out of this well at all. 

Dundee remains to be seen what their motivation is, if they can get reconstruction from it that doesn't even be fit them then you have to respect it. 

Whereas Ayr United have been the complete definition of saints during the whole process and are not motivated by getting their money and relegating Ian McCalls team? Don’t make me laugh

[johnnydun]

1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said:

It means they have enough cash in hand to pay them not that they have been paid.

Do you know what budgeting is?

 

Yes, so if they have enough to last them until July/August, will March's 90 day invoices be paid?

[rb123!]

Ayr fans have been seething since McCall left them for a bigger club. The fact that their club voted in favour of this corrupt, vile and bullying tactic to end the season while they are in the play off places shows how a diddy club has diddy ambition. They are shit scared of promotion. Will always be a shitty little club.

Lol look at the state of this one

Was your sheep not up for a shagging last night?

[rb123!]

Whereas Ayr United have been the complete definition of saints during the whole process and are not motivated by getting their money and relegating Ian McCalls team? Don’t make me laugh

Relegating Thistle will have had nothing to do with our decision, it's about getting money when in these times there is no income being generated for clubs through home games. I don't think you can blame any club for being motivated by getting much needed money.

[Juanhourjoe]

Clubs will be fine for cash. As long as there's no long delay to next season. Rest of the payments will be in time to see everyone out. If not it's a major f**k up by spfl.

 

Don't think there should be relegation/promotion this season. But they could merge league 1 and championship for next season. And end up with 2 top leagues of sixteen for season after. Only other problem would be Highland and lowland league think something will be worked out to have promotion from there now.