Trogdor Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 18 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Surely clubs should have enough to get by temporarily with the first couple of games(home) off? Otherwise we’d have clubs go bust every winter. Would think everyone should be able to pay March wages without issue. April’s will be more difficult and May especially hard given that’s a month clubs would normally be using the last of this season’s reserves and using early bird season tickets to top up the reminder. If we aren’t playing by then that’s when everything starts to crumble quickly as the reserves will be empty and selling season tickets will be nearly impossible given nobody would know what they were buying , a squeeze on wages etc Agree with all of that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) If there are any disputes once the authorities have decided what's happening I feel these should be resolved by rock paper scissors. It's the only way... Edited March 15, 2020 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 On the contracts expiring and clubs losing players point, there’s no easy way round it but if this season was being extended into July/August with the next one being truncated, you’d surely have a relaxation of rules on player registration and transfer windows to go with it. Whichever way you do it, whether you want to try to force players to stay with their current clubs until the 19/20 season is completed or allow clubs to make signings on short-term deals for the remainder of this season then also build a squad for the 20/21 season, you need to move the windows. For what it’s worth trying to force players to stay where they are is far too dodgy an option IMO. You could prevent clubs registering new signings as players until the 20/21 season starts but if their contracts have expired you can’t legally stop people who are out of contract choosing to leave their employer for another, so who’s to say a player like Shaun Rooney who’s signed a PCA isn’t going to go ahead and take up the contract with St Johnstone anyway while knowing he can’t play until 20/21 starts, leaving ICT with no means to replace him? What about loan deals, is Blair Lyons compelled to stay at Montrose beyond the original length of the deal? If you effectively add an extra window though - say we restart in mid-June a fortnight after contracts have expired, with an aim to complete the season by the end of July - you could let clubs sign players on two month deals or extend loan deals to the end of the 19/20 season, then add another window for the start of the 20/21 season. That probably makes it more likely that players would be willing to stick around at their current clubs, but it protects players who clubs release anyway and protects clubs when players choose to leave or have loans recalled by parent clubs by allowing them to sign replacements, while avoiding tying players or clubs in for the following season as well when the signings would by necessity be made in a rush and clubs don’t know what division they’ll be in for 20/21. It would necessitate the scrapping of the two clubs in a season rule to ensure any released players can get a wage for that two months, although that rule is a nonsense for this level of football anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG.Roma Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 15 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: We will have 3 or 4 players under contract in June potentially. And a manager 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 If clubs want to sell season tickets early before they know what division they are in, could they not ask for part payment, with the rest being paid once they know whether they have been promoted/relegated? Appreciate that there is still uncertainty over when any new season might start, but surely fans wouldn’t grudge paying an instalment of, say, £100 for a season ticket now that will be valid whenever the new season starts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Flash said: If clubs want to sell season tickets early before they know what division they are in, could they not ask for part payment, with the rest being paid once they know whether they have been promoted/relegated? Appreciate that there is still uncertainty over when any new season might start, but surely fans wouldn’t grudge paying an instalment of, say, £100 for a season ticket now that will be valid whenever the new season starts. What would happen to your money if you were a - let's say Kilmarnock - fan and the club goes to the wall through all of this? #TB4. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dele said: What would happen to your money if you were a - let's say Kilmarnock - fan and the club goes to the wall through all of this? #TB4. The hope would be that with as many people as possible buying early, it would prevent clubs from going to the wall. However, if the worst did happen, you’d lose your money. I guess then the only thing you’d have is the knowledge that you did your bit and didn’t just stand by and watch your club fold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, Flash said: I guess then the only thing you’d have is the knowledge that you did your bit and didn’t just stand by and watch your club fold. I suppose now is the times for Kilmarnock fans to step up to the oche, then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 On 13/03/2020 at 21:49, invergowrie arab said: When the crisis is over finish this season with a week long extravaganza of football. A game a day and two on a sunday to finish it off. Players will die but what a week. 3 45 minute games a day. Proper festival of football 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Flash said: If clubs want to sell season tickets early before they know what division they are in, could they not ask for part payment, with the rest being paid once they know whether they have been promoted/relegated? Appreciate that there is still uncertainty over when any new season might start, but surely fans wouldn’t grudge paying an instalment of, say, £100 for a season ticket now that will be valid whenever the new season starts. While we are currently here in a football bubble, that might be a useful suggestion. But this issue is far wider reaching. There will be a lot of people worried about what might happen with their jobs if a full lockdown comes about. Many might not be willing to chuck their money in rather than clinging to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 45 minute games a day. Proper festival of football Should just organise a tournament of 5s and play everything in the one day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: Should just organise a tournament of 5s and play everything in the one day. Condensing games and multiple games a day I agree with. No need to move it to 5s though. * * Actually, might need to switch it to 3s if clubs only have s couple of players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dele said: I suppose now is the times for Kilmarnock fans to step up to the oche, then. Just as well our supporters' trust are in the process of chucking the club £50k then isn't it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Just as well our supporters' trust are in the process of chucking the club £50k then isn't it? The oche is yours, Craig. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jamie_M said: While we are currently here in a football bubble, that might be a useful suggestion. But this issue is far wider reaching. There will be a lot of people worried about what might happen with their jobs if a full lockdown comes about. Many might not be willing to chuck their money in rather than clinging to it. That’s true. I think the government needs to step in with loans to all of the businesses affected. Obviously, the smaller football clubs are the ones we are concerned with here and they have effectively been closed. My thought was that a combination of government loans and clubs and fans (those who can afford to buy tickets early, for example) doing everything they can, it might be possible to get through this period. Totally appreciate that there are more important things for people to invest in at the moment, though. Like bog roll. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, jagsfan57 said: I am not sure that insurance companies will be able to pay the compensation if every business is interrupted. Unless companies can see that their business is a going concern it needs to go into administration ? Business interruption insurance is a specific type of policy that businesses of all sizes can take out. Insurance companies will have honour their contractual obligations under the terms of the policy. If the insurance companies don't have the money, the Government will need to take action. The big question is whether the cover applies to a pandemic like the Coronavirus. The Government's actions ( e.g. travel restrictions/bans and cinema closures), will trigger claims. In some cases, The Government will have to support key businesses that lose a lot revenue as a result of its drastic measures. The businesses will be viable as going concerns but will have cash-flow problems due to the Government's policies. Putting them into administration could destroy investor confidence and cause the economy to crash. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_M Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Think there will be a lot of businesses across a whole range of industries disappearing as a result of this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Flash said: If clubs want to sell season tickets early before they know what division they are in, could they not ask for part payment, with the rest being paid once they know whether they have been promoted/relegated? Appreciate that there is still uncertainty over when any new season might start, but surely fans wouldn’t grudge paying an instalment of, say, £100 for a season ticket now that will be valid whenever the new season starts. It’s not just what division your club will be in but the number of games might be reduced and what about the quality of player we’ll be watching? will clubs stay full-time? Can we even expect next season to be completed or are random interruptions going to become more normal? I get that fans need to step up and try and support clubs during this time, I just think season tickets are a very insecure way of doing that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 15 hours ago, ayrunitedfw said: Oh aye and recent form certainly suggests you’d win that. Tbf Dunfermline have played both very recently and I'd expect Thistle to win, certainly they were better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, parsforlife said: It’s not just what division your club will be in but the number of games might be reduced and what about the quality of player we’ll be watching? will clubs stay full-time? Can we even expect next season to be completed or are random interruptions going to become more normal? I get that fans need to step up and try and support clubs during this time, I just think season tickets are a very insecure way of doing that. Yeah, I thought that if you were paying something less than half price up front, it would reduce the risk of losing out should the following season be cut short or whatever. I thought it might be more attractive for folk to pay £100 for part of a season ticket, leaving the rest to be decided by events, than it would be to put £20 in a bucket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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