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Nobody in any league should be awarded anything on guesswork. Null and void the whole thing is the only correct way to end it. It'll be tough on some granted but the season has not been completed no matter how far through or ahead some clubs were.

If they do decide to end it on some arbitrary method then nobody can claim to have won anything.

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3 hours ago, chocolateankles said:

Seen Thornton a couple of times last season and are a good team could play in the premier easy and are getting a fence put up but could join eos even lower.  No very fair to me.

That's an entirely subjective view of course - only way to find out is when they start playing.

See they had to reapply for planning permission for the fence and lights as the old consent lapsed,  and there are objections this time round - things moving slowly at the council just now unfortunately.

 

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48 minutes ago, Blowin In the Wind said:

Then you are saying BU should not be awarded the title on PPG?

No what I said a few posts ago was that it's a very tough call for the EOSFL to make. 

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3 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

No what I said a few posts ago was that it's a very tough call for the EOSFL to make. 

Thoroughly agree with you on that one. Not an enviable task 👍.

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2 hours ago, Black Dug said:

Nobody in any league should be awarded anything on guesswork. Null and void the whole thing is the only correct way to end it. It'll be tough on some granted but the season has not been completed no matter how far through or ahead some clubs were.

If they do decide to end it on some arbitrary method then nobody can claim to have won anything.

If the boot was on the other foot you would not be saying that. It’s taking a while but it was only a matter of time till one of you had a go.

However, if the powers that be decide to award the title to the Bu’s then that will be fine. Then again if not then that’ll be the end of the matter. That’s my honest opinion. Your is based on being bitter and twisted.

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If the boot was on the other foot you would not be saying that. It’s taking a while but it was only a matter of time till one of you had a go.
However, if the powers that be decide to award the title to the Bu’s then that will be fine. Then again if not then that’ll be the end of the matter. That’s my honest opinion. Your is based on being bitter and twisted.
No it is not, it is based on fairness. And get over yourself, I'm talking about all leagues. Kelty can take no glory in being awarded the Lowland league, they have won nothing.

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11 minutes ago, Black Dug said:
43 minutes ago, boheesian said:
If the boot was on the other foot you would not be saying that. It’s taking a while but it was only a matter of time till one of you had a go.
However, if the powers that be decide to award the title to the Bu’s then that will be fine. Then again if not then that’ll be the end of the matter. That’s my honest opinion. Your is based on being bitter and twisted.

No it is not, it is based on fairness. And get over yourself, I'm talking about all leagues. Kelty can take no glory in being awarded the Lowland league, they have won nothing.

You think it would be a fairer outcome in the English Premier League to call it null and void than to award it to Liverpool, if it can't be completed?

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12 minutes ago, Black Dug said:
43 minutes ago, boheesian said:
If the boot was on the other foot you would not be saying that. It’s taking a while but it was only a matter of time till one of you had a go.
However, if the powers that be decide to award the title to the Bu’s then that will be fine. Then again if not then that’ll be the end of the matter. That’s my honest opinion. Your is based on being bitter and twisted.

No it is not, it is based on fairness. And get over yourself, I'm talking about all leagues. Kelty can take no glory in being awarded the Lowland league, they have won nothing.

In your opinion. 

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You think it would be a fairer outcome in the English Premier League to call it null and void than to award it to Liverpool, if it can't be completed?
Yes

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5 minutes ago, Black Dug said:
6 minutes ago, GordonS said:
You think it would be a fairer outcome in the English Premier League to call it null and void than to award it to Liverpool, if it can't be completed?

Yes

In that case, you should appreciate that your view of fairness is subjective and unlikely to be widely shared, no?

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That's an entirely subjective view of course - only way to find out is when they start playing.
See they had to reapply for planning permission for the fence and lights as the old consent lapsed,  and there are objections this time round - things moving slowly at the council just now unfortunately.
 

I’m sure the 2010 planning application is still in place it hasn’t lapsed because there isn’t a timescale on planning if the application has been started it is still valid, and guess what it has been.
So the council can be as slow as they like.

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The problem with the conferences is the way we’ve played it

PPG is hard to judge with the inter conference games the fixture of who plays home or away and what teams have played each other and who have still to play each other there is just to many variables in the conference leagues

Unlike the premier league we’re everyone is competing in the same league PPG is a good indicator of how a team has done it just doesn’t work for the conference leagues

I think due to this unprecedented time all votes for divisions should be brought back to the table again

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Nice debate but I don't think I've heard anything official anywhere to suggest that the EOS isn't going to continue with the conferences they've already decided upon, SPFL reconstruction or not.

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7 hours ago, Black Dug said:
7 hours ago, GordonS said:
You think it would be a fairer outcome in the English Premier League to call it null and void than to award it to Liverpool, if it can't be completed?

Yes

So all the fines for players / clubs are to be paid back, all season tickets to be refunded, all sponsors to get their money back etc etc..... do you not think clubs would all be in financial ruin? 
there will be very little clubs left 

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PPG is a poor way to do it. It's really a case of where you are now is where you will finish. If teams have all played the same games then nothing changes in terms of final standings. Only teams with lots of games in hand benefit.

 

There surely must be a fairer more sensible way.

I would go for a new 1st division starting next season (if possible).  I dont see for the life of me how you can promote but not relegate on this basis. 

5 teams relegated next season from the prem makes it very unfair for teams who finish in 8th place in the conferences as they wont make the 1st division. Where is that fair, when that is what's been set out?

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So all the fines for players / clubs are to be paid back, all season tickets to be refunded, all sponsors to get their money back etc etc..... do you not think clubs would all be in financial ruin? 
there will be very little clubs left 
So you are disregarding fairness and sport for commerce? Why should sponsors get their money back? Why should fans get season ticket money back? They have had the exposure and the entertainment. Yes, they could argue that they are entitled to a pro-rata refund for the games yet to be played but not for the full season.

It'd be tough on some clubs without a doubt but there are too many variables to ensure integrity when trying to decide results based on an arbitrary system that nobody had agreed to and is shown to have flaws.

No system was agreed to for ending the season early prior to the season starting (understandably, it's unprecedented what is going on), therefore any system employed now and voted on now will not be without bias.

All clubs, sponsors, fans, players will need to take a hit here.

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8 hours ago, sniffer said:


I’m sure the 2010 planning application is still in place it hasn’t lapsed because there isn’t a timescale on planning if the application has been started it is still valid, and guess what it has been.
So the council can be as slow as they like.

Are you sure? Why reapply then?

10 years to build a fence, but priorities lay elsewhere, hence the competitiveness on the park, I'm sure.

Meanwhile everyone else has been investing in facilities and folk think it's fair that new clubs, who dismissed the move and criticised those leaving, should come in at the same level 2 years down the line.

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Null and void, no promotion or relegations as that trickles down the leagues, including play off games etc. Of course clubs will be upset, understandably, but there is no 100% foolproof remedy. Hopefully the structure for next season will help clubs,less cups,less fixtures where possible,just give clubs a chance to recover and survive, which IS the important point.

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9 hours ago, GordonS said:

You think it would be a fairer outcome in the English Premier League to call it null and void than to award it to Liverpool, if it can't be completed?

It would be a funnier outcome, which I'm all in favour of, on the petty, but heartfelt, grounds that I find Liverpool fans preternaturally irritating.

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