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7 hours ago, stevoraith said:


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You were doing so well up to this point.

Wee Jeannie with her part time jobs will be in receipt of benefit to supplement her income. If she loses her part time income her Universal Credit rises.

Do you think it's fair that a part time footballer on a couple of hundred pounds a week, many on more, get 80% on top of their full time wage from other work?

The only reason they might get is it'll be easier to administer payment without any checks than means test it.

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Yes, I do think it’s fair.

Full time workers earning up to £2500 per month will have 80% of their wages paid.
Thats £30k per year. What if a footballer is on £25k a year in his full time job and then tops up that income with £400 a month from playing football? Why should he not get all (well 80%) of his wages paid?

Not all part time workers claim benefits either- plenty of people work full time and then drive taxis or work in a bar at the weekend to supplement their income. Or simply only work a few days a week. Should they not be paid?

You’re just trying to take the moral high ground when it’s not really justified.

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3 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Do you think it's fair that a part time footballer on a couple of hundred pounds a week, many on more, get 80% on top of their full time wage from other work?

You're assuming he has a full-time job as well as the football.

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4 hours ago, stevoraith said:

Yes, I do think it’s fair.

Full time workers earning up to £2500 per month will have 80% of their wages paid.
Thats £30k per year. What if a footballer is on £25k a year in his full time job and then tops up that income with £400 a month from playing football? Why should he not get all (well 80%) of his wages paid?

Not all part time workers claim benefits either- plenty of people work full time and then drive taxis or work in a bar at the weekend to supplement their income. Or simply only work a few days a week. Should they not be paid?

You’re just trying to take the moral high ground when it’s not really justified.

Because he isn't reliant on it as his primary source of income.

HMRC might be interested in the other examples you quote.

Ask someone who is self employed and hasn't yet been included in the new scheme if it's moral to pay someone for what is essentially a lucrative hobby, while others they miss out. Your motivation is to ensure your club come out as unscathed as possible. As I said they'll get it because it's easier to administer, that doesn't mean it's fair.

 

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You’re right that the main reason they’ll get it is that’s it’s easier to administer.

You think that everyone who works a part time job to supplement their main income is doing it cash in hand and not telling HMRC?

You think that they all do it just for some pocket money and not use it to actually live on?

And you think that footballers are different to other workers because they enjoy their job?

Look, of course some part-time footballers will be earning decent money in their day jobs.
And I’d agree with you that subsidising the part-time wages of someone earning £50k a year in their main job isn’t the best use of the governments money.

But not all part-time footballers earn good money away from football and I’d imagine many of them use their football income to pay the bills.
It’s not fair to exclude them because of the industry they work in.

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If people are being advised to keep a distance of 6 foot between them for at least a year, surely football can’t take place. There would be no tackles, players having to wash their hands each time they took a throw in. No more jostling in the penalty box. I would image the scores would be through the roof and would end in a draw. I am sure there are things but can’t think of them at the moment.

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Just been doing a recalibration of the stats I posted on here a week or so ago.

5683 cases today. If the rate of increase continues at 20%, (it was 12.5% today for a change), three weeks today there will be 261k reported cases in the UK.

Be interesting to see what actually happens and whether the restrictions have any impact....

 

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Scary stats but the number of cases are much higher than the reported 5683 already due to the testing or lack of

Some expert a few days ago reckoned the estimated infections could be closer to 50/60 k

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Scary stats but the number of cases are much higher than the reported 5683 already due to the testing or lack of
Some expert a few days ago reckoned the estimated infections could be closer to 50/60 k

If that’s not scary enough, a further 7 days and you are just shy of 1M. And you’re right, that’s only based on reported cases so the numbers could be 10 times higher....

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If that’s not scary enough, a further 7 days and you are just shy of 1M. And you’re right, that’s only based on reported cases so the numbers could be 10 times higher....


Many epidemiologists think we are heading for the worst outbreak in Europe because of the incompetence of PM Cummings and his lackey Johnson.

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11 hours ago, EdinburghBlue said:

 


Many epidemiologists think we are heading for the worst outbreak in Europe because of the incompetence of PM Cummings and his lackey Johnson.

 

I think we are heading for the worst outbreak in Europe thanks to all the selfish p***ks holding house parties and/or wandering around out and about in public spaces over the weekend, 

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On 21/03/2020 at 06:26, Sergeant Wilson said:

You were doing so well up to this point.

Wee Jeannie with her part time jobs will be in receipt of benefit to supplement her income. If she loses her part time income her Universal Credit rises.

Do you think it's fair that a part time footballer on a couple of hundred pounds a week, many on more, get 80% on top of their full time wage from other work?

The only reason they might get is it'll be easier to administer payment without any checks than means test it.

You're working on the assumption that all part time players are well paid and have full time jobs. It's not like part time footballers are lawyers or scientists and enjoy a kick about at the weekend, they're plumbers and painters who probably don't have any work at all now. They'll have built their lives around the income they have coming in, if you take part of that away it will affect them the same as "Wee Jeannie". In any case, there's a pot of money there for everyone, we don't have to choose between one or the other.

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1 hour ago, G_H said:

I think we are heading for the worst outbreak in Europe thanks to all the selfish p***ks holding house parties and/or wandering around out and about in public spaces over the weekend, 

Agreed. To expect politicians, who normally I have little time for, to do anything but take the medical advice offered is unreasonable. The NHS cannot cope if this spreads quickly and frankly seeing many, many people continue as normal is the biggest problem. No one is forcing anyone to keep going out and behaving as is nothing is happening. 

Yesterday morning it was sunny and 8 degrees. One of Lanarkshire's finest was doing a fantastic 'taps aff' stroll alongside the Clyde. Amazing.

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It was only 15 days ago that this thread was added and here we are now officially in lockdown.

We can focus on football as much as we like but I think at this point in time all of us need to focus on our health and safety and those around us. I don’t think we will be watching football in the stands for quite some time.

Follow the rules. It’s there for you and your loved ones safety.

Stay safe everyone.....

 

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Can’t believe the amount of idiots online still Saying just play behind closed doors, aye because players are immune to Covid-19 it’s only fans that carry it. Keep 2 meters apart unless you’re a football player and it’s Saturday between 3pm and 5pm

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Interesting article

 

Suppose the issue comes when you relax the measures in place much like Hong Kong.They had the impression it was under control relax their measures and apparently were hit with a 2nd wave of the virus

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Interesting article
 
Suppose the issue comes when you relax the measures in place much like Hong Kong.They had the impression it was under control relax their measures and apparently were hit with a 2nd wave of the virus

Yes. Interestingly it appears to be the strategy here too in that once the numbers go down enough to under NHS limits they will ease restrictions and then increase again if the numbers get too high.
It’s been described a bit like turning on and off a tap.
Hard to see how football will cope under such a scenario....

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1 hour ago, roman_bairn said:


Yes. Interestingly it appears to be the strategy here too in that once the numbers go down enough to under NHS limits they will ease restrictions and then increase again if the numbers get too high.
It’s been described a bit like turning on and off a tap.
Hard to see how football will cope under such a scenario....

Very much this unless we,re more fortunate than other countries in getting/ keeping the virus/numbers under control.Many other European Countries numbers are accelerating quicker than ours but that may be down to a number of factors.Us being weeks behind them,how they have dealt with it

Time will tell

 

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