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6 hours ago, Raith_Rasta said:

Fair fucks to the Falkirk soupport. That would o been really good for our coffers, if that was a Saturday

Think some numbers missing from official stats, hardly a surprise

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I felt a draw was probably a fair result. However, both sets of fans will probably think they had the best chances to win it. Cagey first half with Falkirk happy to let us have the ball in our own half. Second half was better but it was evident both teams were worried about losing. 

I said before the game it was important to win. I still feel we might look back on this as a missed opportunity come the end of the season. Neither teams looks like winning 5 or 6 in a row so getting 3 points last night would have been huge.

Falkirk remind me a bit of us in our first season at this level under Barry Smith (football wise as well as a lot of the off the field stuff and disliking half you own players). Organised defensively, hard to break down and very direct with lots of long balls going forward. It’s not great to watch but it’s effective. I think that defensive organisation gives them the edge for the run in but I thought that with us under Barry Smith too...

I still expect Falkirk to win the league but that’s through my natural pessimism for the Rovers rather than anything I’ve actually watched. The three draws in the league and last nights game show there is really nothing between the two sides. I’d imagine both sets of fans will think they have the better side but there really is very little in it.

The main concern for us is Thomson’s injury, looks like he’ll be out for a while. Said to my mates as soon as Munro came on that corners and crosses would cause us all sorts of bother. Expected us to hold out longer than 3 minutes though... He’s a young keeper, his confidence looks shot but we really can’t afford to be lumbered with a bomb scare for the remainder of the season, he needs to step up and get back to the decent form he showed earlier in the season.

All to play for, plenty twists and turns to come, can’t see either side running away with it. I think Falkirk have a slightly better run in so I’d still make them favourites but there’s every chance it could come down to the last day which terrifies me tbh.

 

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12 minutes ago, Bantabairn said:

Think some numbers missing from official stats, hardly a surprise

Saw a figure of 1100 for the away end which looked about right tbh. 

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8 minutes ago, R.R.FC said:

I felt a draw was probably a fair result. However, both sets of fans will probably think they had the best chances to win it. Cagey first half with Falkirk happy to let us have the ball in our own half. Second half was better but it was evident both teams were worried about losing. 

I said before the game it was important to win. I still feel we might look back on this as a missed opportunity come the end of the season. Neither teams looks like winning 5 or 6 in a row so getting 3 points last night would have been huge.

Falkirk remind me a bit of us in our first season at this level under Barry Smith (football wise as well as a lot of the off the field stuff and disliking half you own players). Organised defensively, hard to break down and very direct with lots of long balls going forward. It’s not great to watch but it’s effective. I think that defensive organisation gives them the edge for the run in but I thought that with us under Barry Smith too...

I still expect Falkirk to win the league but that’s through my natural pessimism for the Rovers rather than anything I’ve actually watched. The three draws in the league and last nights game show there is really nothing between the two sides. I’d imagine both sets of fans will think they have the better side but there really is very little in it.

The main concern for us is Thomson’s injury, looks like he’ll be out for a while. Said to my mates as soon as Munro came on that corners and crosses would cause us all sorts of bother. Expected us to hold out longer than 3 minutes though... He’s a young keeper, his confidence looks shot but we really can’t afford to be lumbered with a bomb scare for the remainder of the season, he needs to step up and get back to the decent form he showed earlier in the season.

All to play for, plenty twists and turns to come, can’t see either side running away with it. I think Falkirk have a slightly better run in so I’d still make them favourites but there’s every chance it could come down to the last day which terrifies me tbh.

 

No way are we favourites. Rovers are the better side, imo. Both teams will drop points between now and May meaning I think it’ll still be winnable for both come the last game of the season. If we can stay 1 point behind for the challenge cup game and win on the Saturday to put us top it’ll be interesting to see how Raith react to the pressure. Is your postponed fixture the following Tuesday? 

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Injuries to key players has been the narrative throughout our time in League 1. Hopefully this is the season we battle through it and end up back in the Championship. 

First half last night was just a battle. Second half we had the better chances but we could still have lost the game. We need to do better when presented with chances to win a game.

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We might be the better "footballing" side, but that doesn't win you points.  All that matters is grinding out wins. 

Falkirk also have a better goalscorer than anything we have, and also don't have Ross Munro chucking goals away. 

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Still feel a bit deflated from that. Wouldn’t have thought I’d be so disappointed with a draw but until Thomson went off I was pretty confident of the win. A huge turning point in the game and quite probably the season. There was a long way to go in both games but Munro has now sold an equaliser to Falkirk twice - the league might just have been in the bag if he hadn’t, who knows.

 

Falkirk were brutal until Thomson went off/Miller came on. Relatively solid but it was an odd approach to the game from them, not really dissimilar to playing a bottom half side. The comparisons with our Barry Smith side are fairly valid.

 

Either side could’ve won it in the last fifteen minutes if we’re honest but the one that hit the post and then the bar might be the one we look back at in May.

 

A long way to go. I think Falkirk will be top in the next couple of weeks looking at the fixtures, and from there maybe we’d be happy with a last day showdown..

 

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The goal from Falkirk is a hard one and while its tempting to blame the goalie the boy who whips in the ball and then the striker do everything right. There is a reason people say to put the ball right on top of the keeper and that is because it catches him in two minds 1. do i  come and commit to grabbing the ball at the front post with the danger of not getting there (either because he misjudges it or because another player gets in the way) which then leaves the whole goal begging or 2.do you stay on your line and deal with the header or shot as it comes. As Munro is a youngish lad and not that imposing we should be set up so he can do the second and make use of his pretty decent reactions as hes never going to muscle folk out the way to pluck crosses out the air in a packed box imo.

That said the game from a Rovers point of view was decent enough but the way we couldn't settle and the ball spent so much time in the air for 10 or so minutes after us having decent possession and limiting chances in the first half was a bit dissapointing.

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11 hours ago, Raith Against The Machine said:

Thomson's injury was the defining point in the game, and quite possibly in this title race. I don't know how his stats stack up versus Munro, but he's navigated a difficult winter very well, and his kicking alone makes him a much, much better fit for this Rovers team.

Exactly this. Since Thomson came back into the team, he started 6 matches. Before he went off last night his record was:

Played: 6    
Won: 3   
Drawn: 2 (although it was 1-0 when he went off last night)     
Lost: 1     
Conceded: 3

Munro’s record for the previous 6 before he was injured/dropped was:

Won: 3     
Drawn: 1    
Lost: 2      
Conceded: 13

So our actual results haven’t differed too much. However, the difference in goals conceded is absolutely frightening. We averaged a goal against every 2 games under Thomson. We’re averaging more than 2 goals against per game with Munro recently.

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3 minutes ago, R.R.FC said:

Exactly this. Since Thomson came back into the team, he started 6 matches. Before he went off last night his record was:

Played: 6    
Won: 3   
Drawn: 2 (although it was 1-0 when he went off last night)     
Lost: 1     
Conceded: 3

Munro’s record for the previous 6 before he was injured/dropped was:

Won: 3     
Drawn: 1    
Lost: 2      
Conceded: 13

So our actual results haven’t differed too much. However, the difference in goals conceded is absolutely frightening. We averaged a goal against every 2 games under Thomson. We’re averaging more than 2 goals against per game with Munro recently.

The other half of that story though is that we were playing a lot more open and scoring more as well. Granted you can look at aspects of Munro's keeping but isn't it also the case that our defence had previously been letting more opportunities through?

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4 minutes ago, renton said:

The other half of that story though is that we were playing a lot more open and scoring more as well. Granted you can look at aspects of Munro's keeping but isn't it also the case that our defence had previously been letting more opportunities through?

Biggest difference we spotted was Munro taking short goal kicks while MaClean is up front despite Thomson taking them long all game.  
 

 

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Biggest difference we spotted was Munro taking short goal kicks while MaClean is up front despite Thomson taking them long all game.  
 
 
Probably because he put them out the park everytime he went long with them.

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6 minutes ago, renton said:

The other half of that story though is that we were playing a lot more open and scoring more as well. Granted you can look at aspects of Munro's keeping but isn't it also the case that our defence had previously been letting more opportunities through?

Absolutely, it’s not a case of Munro is the sole reason we have conceded 10 more goals in that time. But it’s hard to ignore the overall picture it paints he played a big part. He was certainly culpable for some of those 13 goals (particularly thinking back to Montrose and Forfar but he also didn’t cover himself in glory against Dumbarton, Peterhead or East Fife). Thomson is not perfect and he’s not particularly good on crosses either. However, he has definitely been an important factor in us defending better and conceding less goals in the last 6 games. 

I feel like the whole defence have a bit more confidence in Thomson than Munro at the moment. The thing is, we know Munro can be a decent keeper, he showed that earlier in the season but his own confidence looks shot just now and it’s tough at his age to bounce back straight away. But he needs to get back to some form quickly. He will be targeted now too. Montrose will pile crosses on him after the last game, and I’m sure with McCracken starting the season as a coach at Peterhead he will have told McInally of his frailties for a couple of weeks time.

Let’s hope he can get back to his form from around November time where he looked solid, I fear the worst if he doesn’t.

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Thought a draw was a fair result leaving the ground and feel the same after the highlights.
Both teams had chances that could have resulted in goals.


McManus's chance in the first half when he smashed the corner out wide from 2 yards, should have seen the look of relief on his face when another corner was given incorrectly.  He looked raging at himself for about 5 seconds till he realised he was getting another corner out of it so not to blame.  Big sigh of relief from him!

Bene's free header from a corner for us the big one obviously outwith the post/bar combo.  A free header for your centre half is one of the fundamentals you want from a corner kick!

Gonna be a tight run, who is next to make an arse of it and drop points?! answers on a postcard!

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10 minutes ago, R.R.FC said:

Absolutely, it’s not a case of Munro is the sole reason we have conceded 10 more goals in that time. But it’s hard to ignore the overall picture it paints he played a big part. He was certainly culpable for some of those 13 goals (particularly thinking back to Montrose and Forfar but he also didn’t cover himself in glory against Dumbarton, Peterhead or East Fife). Thomson is not perfect and he’s not particularly good on crosses either. However, he has definitely been an important factor in us defending better and conceding less goals in the last 6 games. 

I feel like the whole defence have a bit more confidence in Thomson than Munro at the moment. The thing is, we know Munro can be a decent keeper, he showed that earlier in the season but his own confidence looks shot just now and it’s tough at his age to bounce back straight away. But he needs to get back to some form quickly. He will be targeted now too. Montrose will pile crosses on him after the last game, and I’m sure with McCracken starting the season as a coach at Peterhead he will have told McInally of his frailties for a couple of weeks time.

Let’s hope he can get back to his form from around November time where he looked solid, I fear the worst if he doesn’t.

I'll grant you the Forfar and Montrose games but dont think he was hugely culpable against EF or Dumbarton. 

We've generally tightened up at the back and been a bit more compact of late: our goals for column has dried up as well as us conceding less. I think he is generally a decent keeper who we may need to provide some extra protection under dead balls in the short term, we coped for years with McGurn: a man permanently rooted to his line, after all.

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If Miller is seen as a significant upgrade for Falkirk then it's quite a statement on their other strikers (other than Mcmanus). Other than throwing himself about a bit and blazing the ball over I don't think he did much at all.
 


He dominated in the air when he came on so where before your centre backs were dealing with the first ball pretty easily he was winning absolutely everything and allowing us to pay off him. That makes a massive difference as we were actually getting the ball to stick up front. Because he was so dominant in the air it just attracts more defenders to him and frees up more space.

Our other options up front are Conor Sammon and David McMilan. Sammon is pish poor whilst McMillan is barely a footballer so hardly a stretch to suggest Miller is a far better option than both.

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Some great chances to win the game for both sides in the second half. That 3 second period where we first hit the post then the bar, along with Matthews shot from the cross and Benedictus’ header were all great opportunities. When Mutch dropped the cross at the feet of McLean probably isn’t a great chance, but something we should’ve done better with. For Falkirk you’ve got the obvious chance that Miller spooned over the bar as well as Doyle’s header.

MacDonald is so stupid to give away foul for the Falkirk goal, then Munro needs to be so much stronger at the cross. Piss poor. Munro, having looked fine earlier in the season, has totally gone to shit of late. Could really do without him costing us goals in the run in. Up front I thought McLean did well whilst Bowie was quiet. The former is a great addition to our team. One of the first names on the team sheet. Tait’s a better option than Spencer just now so I’d have him in the team next week.

The final game at Falkirk is going to be the decider, I think. Can feel it in my pish.

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2 hours ago, wee_bairn said:

No way are we favourites. Rovers are the better side, imo. Both teams will drop points between now and May meaning I think it’ll still be winnable for both come the last game of the season. If we can stay 1 point behind for the challenge cup game and win on the Saturday to put us top it’ll be interesting to see how Raith react to the pressure. Is your postponed fixture the following Tuesday? 

Airdrie date hasn’t been released yet.

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What are rules with loan signings for emergencies? Would you be able to sign someone on a short term deal if Thomson's injury was to keep him out for the rest of the season?

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Having watched the highlight back, it’s clear that there was no foul by Miller. He’s clever enough to know that he’s bigger and stronger than Davo and Munro and he just positioned himself in front of them and stood his ground, knowing that if they pushed him, it would have been a penalty. What we should have done was have someone like Maclean in front of him to try and clear it. Munro doesn’t exactly cover himself in glory but he’s got two players blocking him so he couldn’t get to it.

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