FairWeatherFan Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Talbot won't play. Their number one concern is the safety of their players. No fans goes first. Then lack of changing and washing facilities second. Changing rooms would have to be available in order to participate so that box gets ticked. They never once mention COVID or concerns over spreading the virus by playing. Not sure you can say player safety comes first when they never bothered to say so themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Talbot won't play. Their number one concern is the safety of their players. It's a well known fact that you are safer driving home in your kit from a game in Wick in December when there is prize money to be won than you are driving home from Beith in October. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigiemack Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Any indication yet on when the draws will be for the prelim rounds ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Presumably immediately after deadline to scratch which is Wednesday 18th November (IIRC). If only 8+ from 106 clubs scratch PR1 on November 28th evaporates. Incidentally if the Fraserburgh chairman/Highland League president - and SFA Pro Game Board member - quoted in the Aberdeen Evening Express is correct the dressing room criteria is sufficiently relaxed that "it doesn’t have to be dressing rooms, it can be part of the hospitality suite or a hall across the road". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Presumably immediately after deadline to scratch which is Wednesday 18th November (IIRC). If only 8+ from 106 clubs scratch PR1 on November 28th evaporates. Incidentally if the Fraserburgh chairman/Highland League president - and SFA Pro Game Board member - quoted in the Aberdeen Evening Express is correct the dressing room criteria is sufficiently relaxed that "it doesn’t have to be dressing rooms, it can be part of the hospitality suite or a hall across the road". On dressing rooms the only real talk in any official capacity I have seen has been what the WoS put out asking about access to nearby leisure facilities. From my own viewpoint I don’t see a problem with offering nearby alternative facilities. Indeed even if it includes a short drive I can’t see the problem. With fans in the ground changing outside of the ground can create problems. Otherwise, not really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 On 26/02/2020 at 22:27, craigkillie said: I feel like I'm constantly banging on about this, but the simple approach is just to have all the Championship clubs entering at R3, rather than the top four sides entering R4 as is currently the case. That would reduce it to only one preliminary round with minimal impact on the rest of the competition. These four Championship clubs tend to have the week off on R3 weekend anyway. For simplicity, let's assume that only those 5 clubs are licensed (and that nobody loses theirs), that would give us 103 licensed clubs in total. Let's also assume that there are no other changes to the entry list - ie that the Junior, Amateur, EoS, SoS and South & East Shield spots remain open. That means we could have as many as 109 entrants (103 licensed + 4 Junior + Musselburgh + Amateur Cup). It's slightly complicated by not knowing how many teams will be in the Highland League next year, but the entry list would look something like that. PR - 35/36 (Tier 6 and below + other entrants) R1 - 29/30 (HL & LL outside top 2) R2 - 14 (League 2 + top 2 HL and LL) R3 - 20 (Championship + League 1) R4 - 12 Premiership Preliminary Round - 26 teams Round 1 - 52 teams (15/16 HL + 14 LL + 9/10 byes + 13 winners) Round 2 - 40 teams (26 R2 winners + 10 League 2 + 2 HL + 2 LL) Round 3 - 40 teams (20 R2 winners + 10 Championship + 10 League 1) Round 4 - 32 teams (20 R3 winners + 12 Premiership) Was just alerted to this post, and I realise that this is basically exactly what the SFA have gone for this season, but with each of the round numbers shifted back by one. The only difference is that there are only 106 entrants due to some of the competitions not finishing which means there are slightly fewer teams in the first preliminary round. Hopefully they stick with this format going forward, it leaves plenty of room for lots of newly licensed clubs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Can't wait for La Décima. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Elixir said: Can't wait for La Décima. Queen Park FC have been lording it over us for long enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HibeeJibee Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Probably easier to describe it the other way round... only 6 out of 106 clubs have chosen to withdraw. These are Forres Mechanics, Auchinleck Talbot and Girvan who have all closed down; Burntisland Shipyard and Golspie Sutherland who still lack floodlight (as do Girvan); and Gretna 2008. Not sure what the story will be with Gretna: their omission comes as a surprise to me. Ultimately this demonstrates why a U-turn on the "10 invites" idea was so necessary... 57 of 62 non-league members (and Musselburgh) wanted to play. So we have Musselburgh and 3 others (note: randomly-drawn not lowest finishers) contesting PR1... Lowland, Highland, East, South and West leagues mostly enter PR2... SPFL2 enter R1... Championship and SPFL1 enter R2... Premiership enter R3. This means a quicker route than normal to the sharp-end for most non-league clubs, who'll only need 3 wins not 5 to reach Last 32. First Preliminary Round - Saturday 28th November 2020 - (2 ties & 22 byes) East of Scotland League (1) - Musselburgh Athletic & 3 others from East, South and West leagues plus Banks o'Dee Second Preliminary Round - Saturday 12th December 2020 - (26 ties) Lowland League (14) - Berwick Rangers, Bo'ness United, BSC Glasgow, Caledonian Braves, Civil Service Strollers, Cumbernauld Colts, Dalbeattie Star, East Kilbride, East Stirlingshire, Edinburgh University, Gala Fairydean Rovers, Spartans, University of Stirling, Vale of Leithen Highland League (14) - Buckie Thistle, Clachnacuddin, Deveronvale, Formartine United, Fort William, Huntly, Inverurie Loco Works, Keith, Lossiemouth, Nairn County, Rothes, Strathspey Thistle, Turriff United, Wick Academy East of Scotland League (19)* - Blackburn United, Broxburn Athletic, Camelon, Coldstream, Dundonald Bluebell, Dunipace, Easthouses Lily, Haddington Athletic, Hawick RAU, Hill of Beath Hawthorn, Jeanfield Swifts, Linlithgow Rose, Lothian Thistle HV, Newtongrange Star, Penicuik Athletic, Preston Athletic, Tranent, Tynecastle, Whitehill Welfare South of Scotland League (4)* - Newton Stewart, St Cuthbert Wanderers, Threave Rovers, Wigtown & Bladnoch West of Scotland League (1)* - Glasgow University North Juniors (1)* - Banks o'Dee *less 3 drawn to play in PR1 First Round - Saturday 26th December 2020 - (20 ties) SPFL2 (10) - Albion Rovers, Annan Athletic, Brechin City, Cowdenbeath, Edinburgh City, Elgin City, Queen's Park, Stenhousemuir, Stirling Albion, Stranraer Lowland League (2) - Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic, Kelty Hearts Highland League (2) - Brora Rangers, Fraserburgh Second Round - Saturday 9th January 2021 - (20 ties) Championship (10) - Alloa Athletic, Arbroath, Ayr United, Dundee, Dunfermline Athletic, Greenock Morton, Hearts of Midlothian, Inverness Caledonian Thistle, Queen of the South, Raith Rovers SPFL1 (10) - Airdrie, Clyde, Cove Rangers, Dumbarton, East Fife, Falkirk, Forfar Athletic, Montrose, Partick Thistle, Peterhead Third Round - Saturday 30th January 2021 - (16 ties) Premiership (12) - Aberdeen, Celtic, Dundee United, Hamilton Academical, Hibernian, Kilmarnock, Livingston, Motherwell, Rangers, Ross County, St Johnstone, St Mirren Edited November 9, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: Worth noting that 1 club without floodlights has decided to chance it: Wigtown & Bladnoch. If they must played a postponed game midweek then I'd imagine they've got another ground like Newton Stewart's lined up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) Worth noting that 1 club without floodlights has decided to chance it: Wigtown & Bladnoch. 4 minutes ago, Ginaro said: If they must played a postponed game midweek then I'd imagine they've got another ground like Newton Stewart's lined up? Not unless some special rule or exemption applies to them. It would be a weekday afternoon. Which hasn't happened since Girvan v Golspie replay in 2010-11 (IIRC). EDIT: Actually it was Beith v Airdrie later that season. Also interesting to observe that out of 100 entrants some 99 are senior - Banks o'Dee being the outlier. You probably have to go back a century or more since it was last as low as 1 or 1%. Edited November 9, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Also interesting to observe that out of 100 entrants some 99 are senior - Banks o'Dee being the outlier. You probably have to go back a century or more since it was last as low as 1 or 1%. Another historical titbit - there are 26 ties / 52 clubs in PR2 (basically R1 as was). There hasn't been that many ties and clubs in a Scottish Cup round since 1938-39 when 27 / 54 contested R1: Aberdeen 1-0 Albion Rovers Alloa Athletic 2-1 Ayr United Blairgowrie 3-2 Dumbarton Bo'ness 1-4 Hamilton Academical Burntisland Shipyard 3-8 Celtic Clyde 2-0 St Johnstone Cowdenbeath 3-3 Partick Thistle (replay Partick Thistle 1-2 Cowdenbeath) Dunfermline Athletic 5-2 Morton Dundee 2-0 St Bernard's Dundee United 2-0 Stenhousemuir Duns 4-1 Girvan East Fife 1-2 Montrose Edinburgh City 3-3 Stranraer (replay Stranraer 1-2 Edinburgh City) Falkirk FC 5-0 Brechin City Falkirk Amateurs 2-5 Elgin City Forfar Athletic 0-3 Hibernian Heart of Midlothian 14-2 Penicuik Athletic Huntly 1-8 Motherwell Kilmarnock 6-1 Berwick Rangers King's Park 5-5 Babcock & Wilcox (replay Babcck & Wilcox 3-2 King's Park) Leith Athletic 0-2 Airdrieonians Nithsdale Wanderers 5-5 Buckie Thistle (replay Buckie Thistle 5-2 Nithsdale Wanderers) Queen of the South 5-4 Arbroath Queen's Park 4-1 St Cuthbert Wanderers Raith Rovers 0-1 Rangers St Mirren 7-0 East Stirlingshire Third Lanark 8-2 Clachnacuddin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 First Preliminary Round - Saturday 28th November 2020 Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale v St Cuthbert Wanderers Penicuik Athletic v Musselburgh Athletic LTHV overwhelming favourites. Other hard to call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Second Preliminary Round - Saturday 12th December 2020 Banks O'Dee v Vale of Leithen Blackburn United v Civil Service Strollers BSC Glasgow v Haddington Athletic Clachnacuddin v Caledonian Braves Coldstream v Bo'ness United Deveronvale v Camelon Dundonald Bluebell v Easthouses Lily Dunipace v Berwick Rangers East Stirlingshire v Inverurie Loco Works Edinburgh University v Tranent Formartine United v Turriff United Gala Fairydean Rovers v Wigtown & Bladnoch Glasgow University v Linlithgow Rose Hill of Beath Hawthorn v Whitehill Welfare Huntly v Dalbeattie Star Jeanfield Swifts v University of Stirling Keith v Fort William Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale / St Cuthbert Wanderers v Lossiemouth Nairn County v Threave Rovers Newton Stewart v Broxburn Athletic Newtongrange Star v Rothes Preston Athletic v Hawick RAU Spartans v East Kilbride Strathspey Thistle v Buckie Thistle Tynecastle v Cumbernauld Colts Wick Academy v Penicuik Athletic / Musselburgh Athletic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Glasgow Uni v Linlithgow will probably be Friday or Sunday as Airdrie are at home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 6 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Another historical titbit - there are 26 ties / 52 clubs in PR2 (basically R1 as was). There hasn't been that many ties and clubs in a Scottish Cup round since 1938-39 when 27 / 54 contested R1: Aberdeen 1-0 Albion Rovers Alloa Athletic 2-1 Ayr United Blairgowrie 3-2 Dumbarton Bo'ness 1-4 Hamilton Academical Burntisland Shipyard 3-8 Celtic Clyde 2-0 St Johnstone Cowdenbeath 3-3 Partick Thistle (replay Partick Thistle 1-2 Cowdenbeath) Dunfermline Athletic 5-2 Morton Dundee 2-0 St Bernard's Dundee United 2-0 Stenhousemuir Duns 4-1 Girvan East Fife 1-2 Montrose Edinburgh City 3-3 Stranraer (replay Stranraer 1-2 Edinburgh City) Falkirk FC 5-0 Brechin City Falkirk Amateurs 2-5 Elgin City Forfar Athletic 0-3 Hibernian Heart of Midlothian 14-2 Penicuik Athletic Huntly 1-8 Motherwell Kilmarnock 6-1 Berwick Rangers King's Park 5-5 Babcock & Wilcox (replay Babcck & Wilcox 3-2 King's Park) Leith Athletic 0-2 Airdrieonians Nithsdale Wanderers 5-5 Buckie Thistle (replay Buckie Thistle 5-2 Nithsdale Wanderers) Queen of the South 5-4 Arbroath Queen's Park 4-1 St Cuthbert Wanderers Raith Rovers 0-1 Rangers St Mirren 7-0 East Stirlingshire Third Lanark 8-2 Clachnacuddin Fife police would have stopped this from happening these days, 5 Fife teams home on the same day and Rangers and Celtic visiting the Kingdom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 22 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Second Preliminary Round - Saturday 12th December 2020 Banks O'Dee v Vale of Leithen Blackburn United v Civil Service Strollers BSC Glasgow v Haddington Athletic Clachnacuddin v Caledonian Braves Coldstream v Bo'ness United Deveronvale v Camelon Dundonald Bluebell v Easthouses Lily Dunipace v Berwick Rangers East Stirlingshire v Inverurie Loco Works Edinburgh University v Tranent Formartine United v Turriff United Gala Fairydean Rovers v Wigtown & Bladnoch Glasgow University v Linlithgow Rose Hill of Beath Hawthorn v Whitehill Welfare Huntly v Dalbeattie Star Jeanfield Swifts v University of Stirling Keith v Fort William Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale / St Cuthbert Wanderers v Lossiemouth Nairn County v Threave Rovers Newton Stewart v Broxburn Athletic Newtongrange Star v Rothes Preston Athletic v Hawick RAU Spartans v East Kilbride Strathspey Thistle v Buckie Thistle Tynecastle v Cumbernauld Colts Wick Academy v Penicuik Athletic / Musselburgh Athletic Plenty of interesting ties: if they go ahead as planned. I have high lighted a few ties. Wigtown don't have to worry about a home venue, as they have been drawn away. Penicuik or Musselborough won't fancy a long trip to Wick. Glasgow Uni v Linlithgow would be worth watching. Tynecastle -v-the Colts, and Shire -v-the Loco Works will also be interesting. Will this be the last season that Banks O'Dee will be allowed to enter the Scottish, unless they join the HFL next season ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) I think Gala will be strong favourites to beat Wigtown, so their lack of lights probably won't become an issue. Wick v Penicuik/Musselburgh and Nairn v Threave are the real long-haul ties... Huntly v Dalbeattie also. Given there are 14 HL clubs plus BoD involved, and 26 ties, there are actually remarkably few long-distance trips. Following the collapse of East and then West juniors, last amateurs going senior, and North Caledonian joining pyramid (bringing Golspie in), you could see BoD situation going either way. They're now the only anomaly - process would be completed by North Juniors joining pyramid, or failing that BoD joining HL which they've previously applied for and has an odd team. Alternatively - the very fact they're now the only anomaly might mean no-one is especially bothered. It could alter affairs if other North Junior clubs look to emulate them. In recent years Aberdeen Uni and now Dyce have joined Aberdeenshire FA and entered senior cups which is how BoD began. Edited November 11, 2020 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 On 09/11/2020 at 22:29, HibeeJibee said: On 09/11/2020 at 22:26, Ginaro said: Not unless some special rule or exemption is applied to them. It would be a weekday afternoon. According to rule 10.4 clubs can notify the board or the board can decide that their registered ground is unsuitable for playing the match. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/media/5364/scottish-cup-rules-for-2019-20.pdf Not that it matters now as their only game will be away to GFR. 30 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said: It could alter affairs if other North Junior clubs look to emulate them. In recent years Aberdeen Uni and now Dyce have joined Aberdeenshire FA and entered senior cups which is how BoD began. Dyce are supposed to be adding floodlights as part of joining the Aberdeenshire FA, though their cup game v Deveronvale has been reversed so they can't have them up yet. If you go to all that trouble you might as well keep going and try to meet licensing requirements, maybe by that time the north will have a tier 6 so they can get licensed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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