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How secure is Nicola Sturgeon's position?

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1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Independence not all that important to you then?

Absolutely no surprise that a racist wouldn’t be bothered about being a member of a party led by a bigot. 

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8 hours ago, Stinky Bone said:

I get the feeling that with 80% of the available Scottish seats at westminster being SNP we should be telling them that we are Independent already.  We shouldn't be waiting for westminster permission to hold a referendum, we do not need one.  

UDI

 

 

If Scotland unilaterally declared independence there's not a single country on the face of the planet that would recognise us.

Maybe North Korea, just for the lols, but that would be it.

Our own courts wouldn't recognise it either. It would be an absolutely meaningless thing to do, which would have no consequence except carry a very high risk of back-firing.

Folk calling for this are the immediate problem for Sturgeon, she has to handle them carefully while not giving in to any of their hair-brained schemes. There seems to be a strong correlation between them and the Cherry-McAlpine view of the world, and that's why, despite huge popularity figures and a very recent electoral landslide, it's not unreasonable to talk about Sturgeon's future.

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29 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

It was lost because many believed they would be remaining in the EU, and not dragged out against their will.

Ah that old trope:  It's all about the EU?  Do you honestly believe this shite?

The Natters were calling for a 2nd vote within days of the first one as they don't respect democracy.  Even our own indyref2 thread was started about a year before the Brexit vote.

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7 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Ah that old trope:  It's all about the EU?  Do you honestly believe this shite?

The Natters were calling for a 2nd vote within days of the first one as they don't respect democracy.  Even our own indyref2 thread was started about a year before the Brexit vote.

 

I honestly believe that much of, if not most of Scotland, would prefer to remain within the EU.

 

 

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Cherry running against Robertson carries the real risk of tearing the party apart, especially in a constituency like Edinburgh Central. The establishment wing of the party will be furious, because Cherry's already got a job while Robertson is outside. He can't try his hand in another seat now, it's this or nothing.

One can only speculate on why Cherry would want to switch from Westminster to Holyrood, especially when her only successes have been on constitutional issues, and none of her reasons are likely to be good for the SNP. Edinburgh Central is precisely the sort of place where the terf wars are at their most fierce so we can expect all-out war between the students and the oldies, the professional middle class women and the LGBTs, the fundies and the gradualists.

If Cherry wins the nomination there will be scores, maybe hundreds of resignations, with many going straight over to the Greens. Others will stay in the party but switch constituency. Last time the SNP lost the seat by 610 votes while the Greens took 4,644 votes. Again, they could prevent the SNP from winning the seat.

For no reason other than what appears to be personal ambition, Cherry has lobbed a grenade into the party's fault-lines. 

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28 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

I honestly believe that much of, if not most of Scotland, would prefer to remain within the EU.

I agree with you and I would prefer to remain within the EU too.  However, to think that calls for indyref2 are precursored on the Brexit vote  is imbecilic  The clamour for a second vote started within days of the triumph of democracy and the natters are looking for any peg, however shoogly, on which to hang their tear-soaked Glengarries..

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18 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

I agree with you and I would prefer to remain within the EU too.  However, to think that calls for indyref2 are precursored on the Brexit vote  is imbecilic  The clamour for a second vote started within days of the triumph of democracy and the natters are looking for any peg, however shoogly, on which to hang their tear-soaked Glengarries..

 

Was there a real clamour for Indyref2 within days of Indyref1? That would have been a complete waste of time, but circumstances have changed considerably since 2014. Your mate Boris, has done much to boost support for the calls for Scotland to decide its own future.

Lets face it, there's fanatics on both sides of the great political spectrum. Maybe you're more in tune with this "lady" and her thoughts?

 

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12 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Was there a real clamour for Indyref2 within days of Indyref1? That would have been a complete waste of time, but circumstances have changed considerably since 2014. Your mate Boris, has done much to boost support for the calls for Scotland to decide its own future.

Lets face it, there's fanatics on both sides of the great political spectrum. Maybe you're more in tune with this "lady" and her thoughts?

 

I saw clips from 'this lady' over on the QT thread and saw how her embarrassing call for a strong border was ridiculed by the Natter horde who want border guards at Gretna.  It just confirmed my view that Little Englanders = Little Scotlanders.

Those of us who despise walls treat both of you with disdain.

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14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Those of us who despise walls treat both of you with disdain.

Unless they're in (London)Derry of course.

Highlighted by the "non-Natter horde" on multiple occasions.

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5 minutes ago, ancientnoise said:

Unless they're in (London)Derry of course.

Highlighted by the "non-Natter horde" on multiple occasions.

Nothing like trying to play the man, eh? 

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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Nothing like trying to play the man, eh? 

Come out with incredibly shite patter like "Natter horde" and "border guards at Gretna" and expect to get tackled. Hopefully with studs showing.

Back when this would have been called "character building". Stop letting your side down with this needless puff.

 

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Not got any vested interest in this debate, but I’m a constituent of Joanna Cherry. She’s absolutely anonymous in this area. Live in an area where it’s easy to work and be visible. Labour, Greens, Lib Dems and even Tories are here on the ground. Not seen anything of Cherry since she was elected. 

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4 minutes ago, ancientnoise said:

Come out with incredibly shite patter like "Natter horde" and "border guards at Gretna" and expect to get tackled. Hopefully with studs showing.

Back when this would have been called "character building". Stop letting your side down with this needless puff.

 

Except that  "border guards at Gretna" is what the "Natter horde" want.  We both know this.  Why else would you be pursuing independence?

Will you, or any brain-dead Natter, come up with some sort of 'independence without borders' scheme?  If you do then what's the point?

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1 minute ago, The_Kincardine said:

Except that  "border guards at Gretna" is what the "Natter horde" want.  We both know this.  Why else would you be pursuing independence?

Still at it. How tiresome. 

Why wouldn't you want independence?

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4 minutes ago, ancientnoise said:

Why wouldn't you want independence?

Independence from what?  We are one united kingdom.

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1 minute ago, ancientnoise said:

Printed and framed.

For current and future LOLZ.

Great stuff.

You still didn't answer, "independence from what?" though.

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2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

Great stuff.

You still didn't answer, "independence from what?" though.

Why wouldn't you want independence?

 

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