Diamonds are Forever Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Part of me feels some sympathy for Aitken with the way this has been handled. He has had a howler, but if this had been dealt with properly it would have been forgotten by the next day once it had been overturned. Outside of Inverness it's a game no-one could have cared less about. Instead he's had millions of views online of his mistake, and people are still slating him days later. Ironically, it seems they have tried to protect the referee by sticking with his decision, but by doing this have hung him out to dry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Why has this turned into “let’s crucify the referee”? There are dodgy yellow cards dished out every day football matches are played. No one can be sure what a referee at any time actually sees, apart from the referee himself. The problem here is solely the panel who looked at this at their leisure, from different angles, at different speeds, and as many times as they wanted, and couldn’t see what was in front of their faces. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarballs Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Why has this turned into “let’s crucify the referee”? There are dodgy yellow cards dished out every day football matches are played. No one can be sure what a referee at any time actually sees, apart from the referee himself. The problem here is solely the panel who looked at this at their leisure, from different angles, at different speeds, and as many times as they wanted, and couldn’t see what was in front of their faces. Part of me feels some sympathy for Aitken with the way this has been handled. He has had a howler, but if this had been dealt with properly it would have been forgotten by the next day once it had been overturned. Outside of Inverness it's a game no-one could have cared less about. Instead he's had millions of views online of his mistake, and people are still slating him days later. Ironically, it seems they have tried to protect the referee by sticking with his decision, but by doing this have hung him out to dry. Yeh, absolutely. Aye, the referee has made a bad and inexplicable mistake. Not that it's any consolation to Keatings, but imagine it had happened to us in the forthcoming Scottish Cup quarter final against Hibs for example, rather than the Tunnocks' semi final against Rangers' U20s.Most of us within the Scottish football bubble know that the SFA's panel has come off worse than the referee in this, with Gary Lineker and various others tweeting and making it go viral though I do feel for the referee. Not that they're wrong to highlight it, it was a mad decision, I just think that outside of Scottish football fans the narrative might be unfairly focused on the referee rather than the fact the decision wasn't overturned, which is the most ridiculous thing.Completely unrelated, but let's not forget that Gary Lineker shat himself on the pitch in a World Cup match while wearing an all-white strip. His missus though. Wid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Jarballs said: Yeh, absolutely. Aye, the referee has made a bad and inexplicable mistake. Not that it's any consolation to Keatings, but imagine it had happened to us in the forthcoming Scottish Cup quarter final against Hibs for example, rather than the Tunnocks' semi final against Rangers' U20s. Most of us within the Scottish football bubble know that the SFA's panel has come off worse than the referee in this, with Gary Lineker and various others tweeting and making it go viral though I do feel for the referee. Not that they're wrong to highlight it, it was a mad decision, I just think that outside of Scottish football fans the narrative might be unfairly focused on the referee rather than the fact the decision wasn't overturned, which is the most ridiculous thing. Completely unrelated, but let's not forget that Gary Lineker shat himself on the pitch in a World Cup match while wearing an all-white strip. His missus though. Wid. That's exactly it. Slating the referee takes away from the real issue here which is a systematic failure and that is what everyone's focus should be on. Having a go at the referee for a mistake just reduces the issue down to the usual fans moaning that you get every week in every game and means that the real issue here is lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 They’ve now gone and made up some bollocks pretext to hear the appeal again while pretending to maintain the independence of appeal panels https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-james-keatings/?rid=13929 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Statement just out. SFA announcing that a new panel is to be convened to reassess the previous car crash of a verdict. Pleasing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 It's gonna be fucking hilarious when the new panel say it was a dive tae 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Comedy SFA; could have came out this looking good, have made themselves look even more of a shambles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakpiegravy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I looked up the video out of interest because they were making such a big fuss of it on off the ball. Think you are being way too harsh on the Referee here. On the behind the goal camera it’s not obvious there’s any contact and he looks like he goes down quite enthusiastically. From the opposite angle there’s clearly some contact . From the refs angle he probably sees the enthusiastic fall and makes an assumption if he hasn’t seen the contact. Sounds like the SFA has come to its senses though and is looking at it again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 minute ago, steakpiegravy said: I looked up the video out of interest because they were making such a big fuss of it on off the ball. Think you are being way too harsh on the Referee here. On the behind the goal camera it’s not obvious there’s any contact and he looks like he goes down quite enthusiastically. From the opposite angle there’s clearly some contact . From the refs angle he probably sees the enthusiastic fall and makes an assumption if he hasn’t seen the contact. Sounds like the SFA has come to its senses though and is looking at it again. From what I've gathered, it's not so much the referee's decision that's getting it in the neck (I too can understand), but more the appeals process who bizarrely agreed with it despite having as good a view as you'll ever get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 They’d have been better off just admitting the system is broken and saying they’ll be overhauling it at the end of the season, rather than inventing a procedural failing as an excuse for overturning a clearly wrong decision and pretending the panels are still independent of the board. Any time clubs are unhappy with the outcome of an appeal now they’ll be looking for a similar flaw to come out of nowhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steakpiegravy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 From what I've gathered, it's not so much the referee's decision that's getting it in the neck (I too can understand), but more the appeals process who bizarrely agreed with it despite having as good a view as you'll ever get.In the media yes, but on this thread the ref is getting a lot of stick. Deserves a bit of stick but you’re right it’s the panel system that’s flawed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: They’d have been better off just admitting the system is broken and saying they’ll be overhauling it at the end of the season, rather than inventing a procedural failing as an excuse for overturning a clearly wrong decision and pretending the panels are still independent of the board. Any time clubs are unhappy with the outcome of an appeal now they’ll be looking for a similar flaw to come out of nowhere. Aye, I think any club who has an appeal fail will try and create as big of storm as they can on social media to see if the SFA will back the panel or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 They have thrown some dentist under the bus but let’s hope we get the right decision this time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeMentalDavie Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Precedent set for when they f**k up similar decisions in the future. I doubt this is the first time this has happened either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Just now, WeeMentalDavie said: Precedent set for when they f**k up similar decisions in the future. I doubt this is the first time this has happened either. They've tried really hard to emphasise that the appeal has not been overturned yet and that this is 'in extremis', however the fact is every club in Scotland is watching this knowing that a precedent has now been set and will jump on any similar situation in the future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, ropy said: They have thrown some dentist under the bus but let’s hope we get the right decision this time Classic 'blame the consultant, not the consultancy' type statement, isn't it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 The new panel of the damned is Benedict Arnold. Lizzy Borden. Richard Nixon. John Wilkes Booth. Blackbeard the Pirate. John Dillinger. And the starting line of the 1976 Philadelphia Flyers 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bold Rover Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Two questions for the P&B intelligentsia: When did it become available to challenge a yellow card decision? Who were the personnel on the review panel? My understanding is that it is chaired by a lawyer with an ex-ref and another member from within football e.g. a former player. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Identities secret - usually 1 legalist, 1 ex-ref and 1 ex-player/coach/etc. Clearly the panel decision was bizarre. However this intervention is a can of worms and never been allowed before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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