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1 minute ago, honestman54 said:

No hints of any applications to the SOS league after Bonnyton's move?

It’s not looking that way now 

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Is there any clubs from D&G playing who could even potentially move to the SoS apart from Kello? It doesn't strike me as a hotbed of amateur teams looking to take a step up or youth teams looking to add a senior side.

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24 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Is there any clubs from D&G playing who could even potentially move to the SoS apart from Kello? It doesn't strike me as a hotbed of amateur teams looking to take a step up or youth teams looking to add a senior side.

Dumfries has a fairly substantial Sunday League with several decent sides but in general it’s the overall costs incurred by a Senior Club that will deter most from considering the step up I’d estimate ! There’s nothing in the West of the region any more and ultimately if there’s ever any future merger with the West then Girvan , Maybole , Kello obviously , Craigmark etc would be the closest current junior sides to the normal South geographical area 

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26 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Could the current amateur set up latch on underneath the SoS in the pyramid in future?

No ,the  Sunday  league is lad's who only want a game on a  Sunday nothing else.  They are not interested in a pyramid set up .The league has went from 2 leagues to 1.  Although quite a lot could play S o S   because of  the standard .

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4 minutes ago, weeredbook said:

No ,the  Sunday  league is lad's who only want a game on a  Sunday nothing else.  They are not interested in a pyramid set up .The league has went from 2 leagues to 1.  Although quite a lot could play S o S   because of  the standard .

I’d agree with WRB that many of the players in the amateur League could do a decent job if they wanted to take in the training / travelling of a Senior side in the South but many are content to choose a localised Sunday game which is fair enough 

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15 minutes ago, Chris_the_rover said:

Is there a full list of teams who have applied to wosfl

Its on the Juniors forum.  59 to date.  This is from Pyrimadic on the Juniors forum

The current list of 59 clubs that propose to join the WoSFL:


1. Lugar Boswell Thistle (SJFA West League Two)

2. Clydebank (SJFA West Region Premiership)

3. Kilwinning Rangers (SJFA West Region Premiership)

4. Rutherglen Glencairn (SJFA West Region Premiership)

5. Bellshill Athletic (SJFA West League One)

6. Drumchapel United (Central Scottish Amateur Premier Division)

7. Neilston Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

8. Maryhill (SJFA West League One)

9. Kello Rovers (SJFA West League One)

10. Blantyre Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

11. Kirkintilloch Rob Roy (SJFA West Region Premiership)

12. Vale of Clyde (SJFA West League Two)

13. Renfrew (SJFA West Region Championship)

14. Royal Albert (SJFA West League One)

15. Arthurlie (SJFA West Region Championship)

16. Newmains United (SJFA West League Two)

17. Kilsyth Rangers (SJFA West Region Championship)

18. Whitletts Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

19. Gartcairn Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

20. Cambuslang Rangers  (SJFA West Region Championship)

21. Cumbernauld United (SJFA West Region Championship)

22. Glasgow Perthshire (SJFA West League One)

23. Ashfield (SJFA West League Two)

24. Petershill (SJFA West Region Championship)

25. Greenock Juniors (SJFA West League One)

26. Larkhall Thistle (SJFA West League One)

27. Port Glasgow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

28. Pollok (SJFA West Region Premiership)

29. Darvel Juniors (SJFA West Region Championship)

30. Vale of Leven (SJFA West League Two)

31. Glenafton Athletic (SJFA West Region Premiership)

32. Johnstone Burgh (SJFA West League Two)

33. Auchinleck Talbot (SJFA West Region Premiership)

34. Largs Thistle (SJFA West Region Premiership)

35. Kilbirnie Ladeside (SJFA West Region Premiership)

36. Troon (SJFA West Region Premiership)

37. Irvine Meadow XI (SJFA West Region Premiership)

38. Beith Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership) 

39. Shotts Bon Accord (SJFA West Region Championship)

40.  Forth Wanderers (SJFA West League Two)

41. Muirkirk Juniors (SJFA West League Two)

42. Benburb (SJFA West Region Premiership)  

43. Shettleston (SJFA West League One)

44. Irvine Victoria (SJFA West Region Championship)

45. Dalry Thistle (SJFA West Region Championship)

46. Cumnock Juniors (SJFA West Region Premiership)

47. Girvan (SJFA West League One)

48. Wishaw Juniors (SJFA West League One)

49. Rossvale (SJFA West Region Premiership)

50. East Kilbride Thistle (SJFA West League One)

51. St Anthony's (SJFA West League Two)

52. St Roch's (SJFA West Region Championship)

53. Lanark United (SJFA West League One)

54. Hurlford United (SJFA West Region Premiership)

55. Craigmark Burntonians (SJFA West Region Championship)

56. Lesmahagow Juniors (SJFA West League One)

57. Carluke Rovers (SJFA West League One)

58. Glasgow University (Caledonian League Premier Division)

59. Bonnyton Thistle (South of Scotland League)


The following 7 WRJFA clubs have yet to make a public declaration to join the WoSFL:

SJFA West Region League One (1 club)
- Ardrossan Winton Rovers

SJFA West Region League Two (6 clubs)
- Annbank United
- Ardeer Thistle
- Maybole Juniors
- Saltcoats Victoria
- Thorniewood United
- Yoker Athletic


A constitution of 66 clubs divided into 4 conferences is predicted with anticipation.

 

THE DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS IS TODAY, TUESDAY 7TH APRIL - THE DOOR FIRMLY SHUTS TONIGHT!

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21 minutes ago, AML67 said:

I’d agree with WRB that many of the players in the amateur League could do a decent job if they wanted to take in the training / travelling of a Senior side in the South but many are content to choose a localised Sunday game which is fair enough 

Since the SoSFL gained a few clubs from the demise of the Dumfries & District AFL folding, are there any Saturday amateurs really running anymore?

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5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Since the SoSFL gained a few clubs from the demise of the Dumfries & District AFL folding, are there any Saturday amateurs really running anymore?

Think it was wrapped up  5-6 years ago .It had about 8 teams in it .  Sunday league is now like pub league was years ago .

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1 hour ago, AML67 said:

Dumfries has a fairly substantial Sunday League with several decent sides but in general it’s the overall costs incurred by a Senior Club that will deter most from considering the step up I’d estimate ! There’s nothing in the West of the region any more and ultimately if there’s ever any future merger with the West then Girvan , Maybole , Kello obviously , Craigmark etc would be the closest current junior sides to the normal South geographical area 

I just hope that the SoSFL can keep its club numbers up. Given the dearth of potential replacements there maybe increasing pressure to allow in a few Development/Community sides from Senior clubs within the WoSFL region.

I suppose the other option is that if numbers in the SoSFL seriously reduce in the next few years, this may be the factor to facilitate a planned amalgamation or general incorporation of clubs within the WoSFL.

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1 hour ago, Pyramidic said:

I just hope that the SoSFL can keep its club numbers up. Given the dearth of potential replacements there maybe increasing pressure to allow in a few Development/Community sides from Senior clubs within the WoSFL region.

I suppose the other option is that if numbers in the SoSFL seriously reduce in the next few years, this may be the factor to facilitate a planned amalgamation or general incorporation of clubs within the WoSFL.

I’d estimate in my opinion as long as the numbers hold things will be fine but if there’s a dramatic change in the next couple of years anyone with any ambition will look to the West like several have flirted with already ! I’d say in all honesty it wasn’t the Junior big guns that was the deciding factor for most to not even contemplate any potential move but the thought that once the initial Conference season was over with its varied mix of Clubs and levels it was more the thought of what happens after that in the long term !  Potential regionalisation for any future Conferences / Divisions would make far more sense and be a lot more appealing for Clubs already with limited budgets 

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I just hope that the SoSFL can keep its club numbers up. Given the dearth of potential replacements there maybe increasing pressure to allow in a few Development/Community sides from Senior clubs within the WoSFL region.
I suppose the other option is that if numbers in the SoSFL seriously reduce in the next few years, this may be the factor to facilitate a planned amalgamation or general incorporation of clubs within the WoSFL.
Only under exceptional circumstances should the sosfl lose it place at tier 6. Amalgamation with the wosfl seems to be the go to for everyone when it doesn't make a difference at all.

Unless the sosfl loses 5 or 6 clubs it should remain. If the champion gets licensed, wins the league and gets promoted then they deserve it.

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13 hours ago, G4Mac said:

Only under exceptional circumstances should the sosfl lose it place at tier 6. Amalgamation with the wosfl seems to be the go to for everyone when it doesn't make a difference at all.

Unless the sosfl loses 5 or 6 clubs it should remain. If the champion gets licensed, wins the league and gets promoted then they deserve it.

It poses an issue that if there is an amalgamation of SoS and WoS then the SoS Clubs should not lose T6 status..

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It poses an issue that if there is an amalgamation of SoS and WoS then the SoS Clubs should not lose T6 status..
The sosfl should absolutely not lose tier 6 status, there is no need.

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Based on playing strength (as evidenced by many recent seasons in the Scottish Cup, and the South Challenge Cup), the SoSFL would certainly be the weakest of the 3 Lowland Tier 6 leagues. 

Some of the EoS and WoS Tier 7 teams (and possibly even Tier 8 in the West) will be stronger than some of the Tier 6 SoS teams.

So, it might be a balanced pyramid geography wise in the Lowland area, but certainly not in terms of playing strength.

If playing strength were more of a factor, there would be 2 Tier 6 leagues (West and East), with Tier 7 West splitting into North (2nd tier West Juniors) and South (most of the current SoS). 

This might actually work out better for the South team that chooses promotion, as they'll get more local games rather than going "semi-national" in the Lowland League.  As an example, suppose Threave won the Tier 7 SoS, they would then go into the Tier 6 West league, where they might play the likes of Pollok, Kilwinning, etc.  They'd find it mighty hard to get out of that league I think, but they'd get to play at a higher level with less travelling.  The day-to-day for the SoS teams would be exactly the same, as they'd still be pretty much the same teams in the same league. 

 

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On 8 April 2020 at 19:43, G4Mac said:
On 8 April 2020 at 13:09, Hossy87 said:
It poses an issue that if there is an amalgamation of SoS and WoS then the SoS Clubs should not lose T6 status..

The sosfl should absolutely not lose tier 6 status, there is no need.

Long term that will need to be looked at along with the Highland League.

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5 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said:

Long term that will need to be looked at along with the Highland League.

But as JM Keynes said "In the long term, we're all dead"

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3 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said:

But as JM Keynes said "In the long term, we're all dead"

We might be dead but others will follow in our footsteps.

Why should the north and south Haven Holiday Leagues do a retro Rotten Burgh gig on the pyramid.

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