Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[The DA]

She deleted this sharpish.

[vikingTON]

10 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

China are a well known bastion of truth.

Up there with North Korea for letting people form their own opinions.

It’s funny how nobody on the thread was bothering much to query their numbers during the peak of their outbreak; indeed the focus of this thread and the media coverage was still on how terribly cruel it was for the nasty Chinese authorities to truncheon people in the face and force them to stay inside.

Roll on nearly three months and the same people are positively gagging for the army to be rolled onto the streets to stop people going to the shop and grassing on their neighbours for sharing a carryout with guests, now that the victims are white and have accessible life stories.

40 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

You genuinely think that Wuhan, a city of 12 million people, where people were literally getting welded into their flats records less deaths than New York or London.

Aye nae bother. Wouldn't surprise me if it's tens of thousands in that city alone.

Forcing people into their flats and quarantining an entire region is a far more effective disease reduction strategy than ‘advising’ people to not go to the pub and letting their filthy sprogs stay in school during weeks of a confirmed outbreak, yes.

It really shouldn’t come as any surprise that an authoritarian regime with huge powers of social coercion and citizens drilled in high levels of compliance handles a public health emergency much more efficiently than this crop of idiot politicians and an even thicker general public in the Anglosphere.

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

24 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

No one's disputing they've go it under control now but 3 thousand deid . This is country where people leave wee girls on the side of the road but managed to come out with a death rate far below any developed Country. I'd love to see Wuhans true figures. I reckon the amount of deaths would be quite frightening especially now we know how long it takes to care for someone and the mortality rate once you get to a certain stage. I reckon ma wee boy could look at China's figures and think nah..they're at it.

I find it hard to believe as well tbh. No doubt measures such as welding people in flats has helped them get in under control just now, but for several weeks there was denial that anything was wrong. Given how infectious the virus is, you’d expect it to have spread massively in that time. Just seems implausible that so few people in Wuhan died as a result.

[bendan]

30 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said:

I think it's likely that the numbers from the start of the crisis are incorrect and were likely covered up.

Yet at the same time, because they welded people in doors they have probably got it under control now. 

They didn't actually weld people into flats. In some cases they welded shut extra entrances so they could control people coming in and out through one entrance. You got one permit per household to out for food every three days or so.

[Newbornbairn]

Could there be something in this -

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1

Quote

COVID-19 has spread to most countries in the world. Puzzlingly, the impact of the disease is different in different countries. These differences are attributed to differences in cultural norms, mitigation efforts, and health infrastructure. Here we propose that national differences in COVID-19 impact could be partially explained by the different national policies respect to Bacillus Calmette-Guerin (BCG) childhood vaccination. BCG vaccination has been reported to offer broad protection to respiratory infections.

Spain has had over 13000 deaths but Portugal only 340 - both on the same peninsula. Portugal has a full BCG vaccination programme, Spain doesn't.

The UK stopped mass BCG vaccinations in 2005

[AUFC90]

Forcing people into their flats and quarantining an entire region is a far more effective disease reduction strategy than ‘advising’ people to not go to the pub and letting their filthy sprogs stay in school during weeks of a confirmed outbreak, yes.
It really shouldn’t come as any surprise that an authoritarian regime with huge powers of social coercion and citizens drilled in high levels of compliance handles a public health emergency much more efficiently than this crop of idiot politicians and an even thicker general public in the Anglosphere.

It's no surprise to anyone that you're the one here believing China of all places [emoji23]. Yes they can enforce a stricter lockdown which in a country like China just means people dying in their houses and not being recorded for f**k all. Even if you do believe that only 80k contracted the virus their death to recovery rate on official figures is still clearly bullshit.

[vikingTON]

28 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

No one's disputing they've go it under control now but 3 thousand deid . This is country where people leave wee girls on the side of the road but managed to come out with a death rate far below any developed Country. 

So South Korea is not a developed country now? But the US’ utter dogshit public healthcare provision makes the cut instead?

I think it’s becoming all too clear what your real issue is with the figures but I’m afraid that the WHO trades solely in facts rather than your lazy cultural assumptions of superiority.

 

[Scary Bear]

2 hours ago, bennett said:

Kay Burley lurking outside downing street like a vulture,  great way to start the morning. 

Probably looking for some sad animals to photograph. Maybe that Downing Street cat?

[Shandon Par]

[AUFC90]

So South Korea is not a developed country now? But the US’ utter dogshit public healthcare provision makes the cut instead?

I think it’s becoming all too clear what your real issue is with the figures but I’m afraid that the WHO trades solely in facts rather than your lazy cultural assumptions of superiority.

 

South Korea wasn't the epicentre of a highly contagious disease and is literally levels above the province of Hubei in absolutely everything.

 

ETA, and facts [emoji23] the only facts the WHO will have will be the ones China fed them.

[DiegoDiego]

Ok, and what's the benefit to your average Indian geezer of spending on yachts, expensive paintings, apartments in New York, expensive jewellery, country houses etc?

I never said there was any.

[bendan]

7 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

It's no surprise to anyone that you're the one here believing China of all places . Yes they can enforce a stricter lockdown which in a country like China just means people dying in their houses and not being recorded for f**k all. Even if you do believe that only 80k contracted the virus their death to recovery rate on official figures is still clearly bullshit.

Nobody believes they only had 80k cases, but has the UK only had 50k? We're telling people not to even call if they have mild symptoms.

Their reported death rate in Wuhan was above 4% of reported cases, which is worse than Germany or the US, for example.

Edited April 8, 2020 by bendan

[vikingTON]

2 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

It's no surprise to anyone that you're the one here believing China of all places . Yes they can enforce a stricter lockdown which in a country like China just means people dying in their houses and not being recorded for f**k all. Even if you do believe that only 80k contracted the virus their death to recovery rate on official figures is still clearly bullshit.

‘A country like China’ = one that has recent experience of combatting serious airborne epidemics (H5N1 flu; SARS) and whose authorities learned important lessons as a result. As have most countries in the Asia-Pacific region, which is why none of them have made a rip-roaring c**t of it like the UK and US.

This is all extremely straightforward stuff that none of your tears and snorters can dispute.

[Shandon Par]

Deep in thought about the virus..

[AUFC90]

Nobody believes they only had 80k cases, but has the UK only had 50k? We're telling people not to even call if they have mild symptoms.
Their reported death rate in Wuhan was above 4% of reported cases, which is worse than Germany or the US, for example.

Of course the UK hasn't. But China has outright lied. It's not misreporting.

Almost all of Chinas cases have completed though. There's still piles of people in America and Britain just waiting to die.

[AUFC90]

‘A country like China’ = one that has recent experience of combatting serious airborne epidemics (H5N1 flu; SARS) and whose authorities learned important lessons as a result. As have most countries in the Asia-Pacific region, which is why none of them have made a rip-roaring c**t of it like the UK and US.
This is all extremely straightforward stuff that none of your tears and snorters can dispute.

China made a c**t of SARS as well. They're just lucky SARS wasn't as infectious. Fact is China downplayed the seriousness of this virus for a lot longer than they should have. No one is disputing that South Korea and Japan aren't better than America at pretty much everything. Im just saying China's figures a way off to anyone with half a brain.

[welshbairn]

13 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Could there be something in this -

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1

Spain has had over 13000 deaths but Portugal only 340 - both on the same peninsula. Portugal has a full BCG vaccination programme, Spain doesn't.

The UK stopped mass BCG vaccinations in 2005

Maybe, but Germany stopped it in 1998. And you'd expect younger people who didn't get the vaccination to be more at risk.

[LongTimeLurker]

7 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

Could there be something in this -

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.24.20042937v1

Spain has had over 13000 deaths but Portugal only 340 - both on the same peninsula. Portugal has a full BCG vaccination programme, Spain doesn't.

The UK stopped mass BCG vaccinations in 2005

Remember that being an unusually painful injection and that it took weeks for the scar to fully heal, so hopefully it was worth going through. Think the problem with this theory is that the UK and France are getting to be as bad as Italy and Spain despite mandatory injections being in place until relatively recently. Some people are arguing that it's because a weaker BCG strain was used in most of western Europe. East vs West Germany is being mentioned a lot on that given the DDR used a Soviet strain and that part of Germany appears to be doing better on virus case numbers.

[greendot]

 

Ah Dr Elliot Reid! 

[vikingTON]

6 minutes ago, AUFC90 said:

South Korea wasn't the epicentre of a highly contagious disease and is literally levels above the province of Hubei in absolutely everything.

 

ETA, and facts the only facts the WHO will have will be the ones China fed them.

Erm no, South Korea was one of the first countries outside China to experience an epidemic of local transmission, starting in some weirdo church group. Their containment measures in the weeks since have stopped the virus from galloping through the whole population (as the UK wanted to do until three weeks ago) and has resulted in a much lower death rate. The only person who thinks that China has a lower death total than ‘any developed country’ is yourself, largely because you don’t consider non-Western countries to be developed enough to handle an epidemic.