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12 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Contrary to what many people believe, I'm sure the idea all along is not to avoid catching the virus per se, but to avoid catching it all at the same time. T

It's laughable to see people still clinging to the belief that there has been a plan all along, when the UK government has actually flip-flopped on nearly every single piece of public health advice in the month of March alone. Was it really their idea to give Italy a run for its money in the number of daily deaths right now? As opposed to being a relative success story like South Korea or Singapore? If you believe that then you are assuming that the UK is governed by highly efficient sociopaths.

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20 minutes ago, Steven W said:

I'm afraid I could be right. Not seeing any light at the end of the tunnel here.

I’m an eternal pessimist but even I don’t think it will be anywhere near that time

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I knew there were a few tin foil hatters on P&B but some of their stuff on this thread is unbelievable.

 

Thick Facebook posting morons everywhere.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, madwullie said:

People didn't do what you are asking when they were asked to do it. So what would you have done then? 

You are saying that kids were still going to primary schools after they were closed?

You are saying that mass gatherings were still happening?

You are saying that companies weren’t getting their systems sorted to that people could work from home where possible?

As for the ‘advice’, which I didn’t mention in my post, the numbers going to pubs and restaurants were down. The shopping malls were very empty. People were reducing their travel abroad. 

The advice was reducing social contact. 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Big fear that next weekend will set us back weeks as hoards of morons have BBQs or fire down to the same hotspots for a day or two.

To 'set us back' there would first have to be some clear evidence that the government's halfway house lockdown is having an impact. As of right now it looks to be as useful as Ayr United's open top bus. 

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2 minutes ago, Romeo said:

I knew there were a few tin foil hatters on P&B but some of their stuff on this thread is unbelievable.

 

Thick Facebook posting morons everywhere.

 

 

Don’t be so harsh on yourself 

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5 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

Just got KBed from the supermarket for not having a mask.

You must be UGLY.

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8 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

Big fear that next weekend will set us back weeks as hoards of morons have BBQs or fire down to the same hotspots for a day or two.

Do you have any evidence that this will set us back weeks? 

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People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics.
 
Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided?
In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3.
The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. 
 
The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway.
On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK.
In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK
Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy.


People dying of lung cancer and COPD are also being included in the coronavirus death statistics.
 
Can you provide a break down of the numbers I have provided?
In Italy, at least 50% of the people who died of coronavirus had at least 2 severe chronic illnesses. 75% had 3.
The 3 main illnesses were heart disease, cancer and diabetes. 
 
The Italian Health Institute has confirmed that around 88% would have died anyway.
On average, it’s reckoned that around 17,000 specifically die of the flu every year in the UK.
In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK
Most of these deaths could have been prevented by locking down the economy.


Yes, but unchecked, this virus will infect a lot more vulnerable people than a strain of Influenza as next to no one has any natural resistance to it as yet. A nasty strain of Influenza will cause a spike in mortality rates but this could utterly decimate the people who are the most vulnerable as well as taking out a lot of otherwise healthy people, are you seriously still fucking here.

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15 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

The government strategy is to flatten the curve so that the health service is not overwhelmed. The strategy isn’t to eradicate the virus.

 

Finally getting it.

7 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

In a bad flu season, like 14/15, it’s reckoned that it caused 44,000 excess mortality in the UK

 

As you were.

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3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:

Just got KBed from the supermarket for not having a mask.

I was in Stax (trade store) the other day and they gave you gloves to put on before you went in the store.

I was in Morrisons supermarket the other week and saw a woman cough over the meat fridge. A proper cough, never covered her mouth. It was minging. The meat is all in clingfilm or whatever but still.

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To 'set us back' there would first have to be some clear evidence that the government's halfway house lockdown is having an impact. As of right now it looks to be as useful as Ayr United's open top bus. 
Said the Morton fan.

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4 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

Don’t be so harsh on yourself 

You assume I was talking about you?

Well that's quite telling.

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Just now, Moomintroll said:

 

 

 


Yes, but unchecked, this virus will infect a lot more vulnerable people than a strain of Influenza as next to no one has any natural resistance to it as yet. A nasty strain of Influenza will cause a spike in mortality rates but this could utterly decimate the people who are the most vulnerable as well as taking out a lot of otherwise healthy people, are you seriously still fucking here.

 

 

 

The Swedish model doesn’t allow for the virus to spread “unchecked”.

They is okayed the very vulnerable, closed primary schools, banned mass gatherings, asked people to work from home where possible.

Just the same as in the UK.

The fact that you sink to personal abuse shows that you’ve lost the debate 

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5 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

You are saying that kids were still going to primary schools after they were closed?

You are saying that mass gatherings were still happening?

You are saying that companies weren’t getting their systems sorted to that people could work from home where possible?

As for the ‘advice’, which I didn’t mention in my post, the numbers going to pubs and restaurants were down. The shopping malls were very empty. People were reducing their travel abroad. 

The advice was reducing social contact. 
 

 

Is this before or after hordes of people descended on parks and beaches, picnicking, socialising and generally not respecting the 6ft rule which pushed the government to introduce more stringent measures? 

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The Swedish model doesn’t allow for the virus to spread “unchecked”.
They is okayed the very vulnerable, closed primary schools, banned mass gatherings, asked people to work from home where possible.
Just the same as in the UK.
The fact that you sink to personal abuse shows that you’ve lost the debate 
The fact that almost everybody on here are rightly calling out the shite you are spouting would suggest that you might be losing this debate old boy. I have just grown utterly tired of it.

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You can argue about it all you like, the fact is that people in this country are constantly looking for ways to cheat the system, and when advised to distance as much as possible they weren't. The evidence is in this very thread if you check back to around that time. 

I'd love it if we could follow the Swedish model (assuming it turns out to be successful in keeping their hospitals from being saturated during their peak - bit early to do any hack patting about that though). Sadly, the evidence is that people would just continue to do whatever the f**k they like unless told (not asked) to do otherwise. 

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