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17 minutes ago, Lurkst said:

Some good has come out of it all...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-52131940

 

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However, at the same time as this ruling, China approved the use of bear bile to treat coronavirus patients.

Bear bile - a digestive fluid drained from living captive bears - has long been used in traditional Chinese medicine.

The active ingredient, ursodeoxycholic acid, is used to dissolve gallstones and treat liver disease. But there is no proof that it is effective against the coronavirus and the process is painful and distressing for the animals

Brian Daly, a spokesman for the Animals Asia Foundation, told AFP: "We shouldn't be relying on wildlife products like bear bile as the solution to combat a deadly virus that appears to have originated from wildlife."

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

that will mean limiting international arrivals until the global pandemic is over.

On that note, at which point is it no longer classed as a pandemic?

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3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The point is that foreign tourist money will likely be replaced by increasedd domestic spending so the policy would be revenue positive for the UK current account. 

 

This is depressing. Means folk will have to return to holidaying in Blackpool, Skeggy, Rothesay, Pittenweem, etc. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The embrace of lock down by most people shows there is no willingness to learn to live with it. 

When lockdown ends the number one priority will be preventing a second lockdown. Like China are doing just now that will mean limiting international arrivals until the global pandemic is over.

We're currently in a phase where a data vacuum is being filled with media speculation and fearmongering. People in their twenties and thirties think they'll die if they go to the corner shop. A more rational assessment of the risk will gradually develop. It's pretty early days.

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5 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:

bear bile, etc

I'd like to see proof that ANY of these animal based treatments actually works.  

 

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14 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said:

^^^^^ good example of the attempt to shut down an alternative view point 

thanks for making my point 👍

I've tried to engage you three or four times by asking you questions mate, and you've completely ignored me every time. You're the only one trying to shut down the alternative point of view. 

Other people have done so too. But if the question was too hard you ignored them. You're not interested in debate or you'd have engaged with them. You're interested in your (other people you admire's) opinions being correct with no deviation. That's why you only C&P. It's painfully, embarrassingly, transparent

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At a time of near maximum lockdown..

 

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1 minute ago, bendan said:

We're currently in a phase where a data vacuum is being filled with media speculation and fearmongering. People in their twenties and thirties think they'll die if they go to the corner shop. A more rational assessment of the risk will gradually develop. It's pretty early days.

I agree about risk for the vast majority of individuals. I'm working 6 days a week and I'm not worried at all. 

However if we retain the standards that have been set during this outbreak about risk as a society then travel restrictions will be required. There is no guarantee that becoming immune in the spring/summer will make you immune in the winter or that different strains that currently exist won't be able to create a second wave.

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'We need the Dunkirk spirit... time is running out': Francis Crick Institute chief urges Boris Johnson to overrule control-freak public health chiefs and scale up mass testing across Britain

The British ran away at Dunkirk.  Well, sailed away.  Where are they to go?

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5 minutes ago, bendan said:

We're currently in a phase where a data vacuum is being filled with media speculation and fearmongering. People in their twenties and thirties think they'll die if they go to the corner shop. A more rational assessment of the risk will gradually develop. It's pretty early days.

I don't think many in our 20s or 30s are worried about dying. Worried about killing yes, but not dying ourselves.

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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

At a time of near maximum lockdown..

 

Only Dutch residents can fly to Amsterdam, only Spanish residents to BCN etc

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58 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

If it's a package holiday it's rare to see foreigners on a UK airliner, as most people are going / returning from holiday and I don't imagine there are travel agents in Majorca advertising 14 nights all inclusive in Margate.

If it's a normal flight, i generally find there a higher number of people from the country of origin.

Great Britain is a much bigger island.  Nobody would base themselves in Margate to tour Britain.  Faulty comparison.

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1 minute ago, Fullerene said:

Great Britain is a much bigger island.  Nobody would base themselves in Margate to tour Britain.  Faulty comparison.

Faulty was at Torquay 

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50 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Figures for 2019 are £48 billion spent abroad by UK tourists and £25 billion spent in the UK by foreign tourists. 

So a significant net loss. 

Not sure how that's a loss? 

Outflow, certainly, but loss? 

 

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6 minutes ago, madwullie said:

I've tried to engage you three or four times by asking you questions mate, and you've completely ignored me every time. You're the only one trying to shut down the alternative point of view. 

Other people have done so too. But if the question was too hard you ignored them. You're not interested in debate or you'd have engaged with them. You're interested in your (other people you admire's) opinions being correct with no deviation. That's why you only C&P. It's painfully, embarrassingly, transparent

The nature of being in the minority is that I can’t read and respond to every single reply.

I honestly haven’t read any of your replies until now.

Now that I have seen your aggressive and narrow point of view, I won’t be replying in future either.

Thanks for the contribution 👍

 

 

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1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said:

If it's a package holiday it's rare to see foreigners on a UK airliner, as most people are going / returning from holiday and I don't imagine there are travel agents in Majorca advertising 14 nights all inclusive in Margate.

If it's a normal flight, i generally find there a higher number of people from the country of origin.

In my experience, flights to Portugal and Spain are generally around 70% to 30% in favour of UK nationals but Poland is usually 90% - 10% in favour of the Poles as many use them as commuter flights.

A lot also seems to depend on the time of year, summer months see more Brits heading abroad, but out of season I tend to see lots of Spaniards / Portuguese coming here on City breaks etc.

These are obviously just my own experiences but the long term damage to our economy through Airport closures and collapsed airlines alone, would be absolutely huge, and the same goes for our European neighbours, ultimately it won't be allowed to happen if it can at all be avoided.

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