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19 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

I come at this completely neutral.

Im naturally pro vax as I've had all that have been offered.

However, these figures are concerning and I definitely would like to see a proper investigation.

Your points are fair.

The figures are concerning. @scottsdad has listed several factors which absolutely will be at the root of this. There's also concern that covid itself may well weaken the body's organs as part of whatever Long Covid turns out to be.

Vaccines are waaaaaaaay down the list of likely triggers for these excess deaths but that won't stop nutters spouting any old conspiracy theory garbage they read on Twitter and Facebook. We have a few of those on this forum. @Detournement and @Captain Saintsible are just two of them but there are others.

It's the downside of freedom of speech I suppose.

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3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

The figures are concerning. @scottsdad 

Vaccines are waaaaaaaay down the list of likely triggers for these excess deaths but that won't stop nutters spouting any old conspiracy theory garbage they read on Twitter and Facebook. We have a few of those on this forum. @Detournement and @Captain Saintsible are just two of them but there are others.

 

How did you come to that conclusion?

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18 hours ago, Gnash said:

But is has been investigated and the vaccine itself is known to cause deaths.  For an average person receiving 1 dose of the AZ vaccine, the risk of death caused by the vaccine is 1 in a million. 

The AZ vaccine. So safe they discontinued it. 

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There's a theory that the excess deaths are partly due to heart trouble as an after effect of the Omicron variant. Anecdotally my mother was hospitalised for arrythmia a month after recovering from Covid, thankfully home again last week.

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20 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

There's a theory that the excess deaths are partly due to heart trouble as an after effect of the Omicron variant. Anecdotally my mother was hospitalised for arrythmia a month after recovering from Covid, thankfully home again last week.

The problem is that with the level of public exposure to Covid / Omicron being so high, and the vaccine coverage being similarly high, we will genuinely never be able to answer that question one way or the other.

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19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

The problem is that with the level of public exposure to Covid / Omicron being so high, and the vaccine coverage being similarly high, we will genuinely never be able to answer that question one way or the other.

There are millions of unvaxxed adults in the UK.

There are also millions of people with only 1 or 2 shots.

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37 minutes ago, Detournement said:

There are millions of unvaxxed adults in the UK.

There are also millions of people with only 1 or 2 shots.

None of which invalidates my point.

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3 hours ago, Detournement said:

If it's not the vaccine then just release Excess Mortality stats by vaccine status as the Scottish Government did for all of 2021.

In the EU death levels directly correlate with vaccine uptake. 

It also correlates with a lot of other stuff like an increase in covid cases, long covid, delayed referrals, reduced treatments, cancelled operations and a myriad of other things.

Only you can explain why you are ruling out all of these because you've read some random guy post totally unsubstantiated shitey rumours and speculation on Twitter.

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3 hours ago, Detournement said:

If it's not the vaccine then just release Excess Mortality stats by vaccine status as the Scottish Government did for all of 2021.

In the EU death levels directly correlate with vaccine uptake. 

For a start, you'd accuse them of withholding or manipulating the raw data.

Then you'd find some other conspiracy theory to latch onto.

That's how you people operate.

There is precisely zero anyone in authority could do to persuade you that your endless conspiracy theories were misguided so everyone just leaves you guys to your moon-howling.

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I for one am glad that the conspiracy theory nuts are still going strong. Despite all the evidence, they still believe. I wish I had such faith in something.

The only thing remotely close is the pro-Brexit folk who still believe that it is a roaring success, and that anything not working is because people don't believe in Britain hard enough.

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I'm a member of YouGov and they do a daily poll and one of the questions today was what should be the priority regarding Covid.

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I can't believe the "SaVe EvRy LiFe" is still scoring so high, especially at a time when we have rising costs and an economy on the verge of recession.

I guess for a lot of people it's a emotive response.

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6 minutes ago, NorthernLights said:

I'm a member of YouGov and they do a daily poll and one of the questions today was what should be the priority regarding Covid.

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I can't believe the "SaVe EvRy LiFe" is still scoring so high, especially at a time when we have rising costs and an economy on the verge of recession.

I guess for a lot of people it's a emotive response.

That seems to be rather restrictive options   

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1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

It also correlates with a lot of other stuff like an increase in covid cases, long covid, delayed referrals, reduced treatments, cancelled operations and a myriad of other things.

Only you can explain why you are ruling out all of these because you've read some random guy post totally unsubstantiated shitey rumours and speculation on Twitter.

Mainly because it's across all age groups. Covid cases were high before the recent uptick in excess deaths and the factors you mention can't explain higher excess deaths in people under 40.

The idea that Long Covid is killing healthy people is a new one.

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48 minutes ago, NorthernLights said:

I'm a member of YouGov and they do a daily poll and one of the questions today was what should be the priority regarding Covid.

Screenshot_2022-09-22-15-44-48-312_com.yougov.mobile.online.thumb.jpg.7298b6c78096eb607d04a0e5b112fe8d.jpg

I can't believe the "SaVe EvRy LiFe" is still scoring so high, especially at a time when we have rising costs and an economy on the verge of recession.

I guess for a lot of people it's a emotive response.

YouGov is utter gubbins, mind.

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In the comments, both diehard nationalists who used to love Scotland trying to be different over Covid, and folk who aren't Covid Crazies, are uniting to tell the BBC where to go...

Oh how times change.

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6 hours ago, Detournement said:

Mainly because it's across all age groups. Covid cases were high before the recent uptick in excess deaths and the factors you mention can't explain higher excess deaths in people under 40.

Are you regurgitating that ill-educated opinion from Baz_theyreouttogetme_123 on Twitter or from Effie on Facebook?

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