Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Elixir]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

The zero strategy gave them time until the virus mutated to a much milder form, with or without vaccines.

This has to be a wind-up. The main reason it is so mild now in places like the UK is due to a mixture of near universal vaccination coverage and/or prior exposure. Something far more transmissible than earlier lineages in a naive population is going to cause mayhem.

Did you see what happened in Hong Kong?

[vikingTON]

@welshbairn becoming arch simp for DPRK's stunning management of health and the economy is a fairly unexpected twist. Although not any more unhinged than some of his previous contortions to defend the indefensible. 

[welshbairn]

I'm not defending his refusal of vaccines, just that a death toll of 6 in 350,000 cases, if true, would suggest he's got away with it.

[Bairnardo]

I'm not defending his refusal of vaccines, just that a death toll of 6 in 350,000 cases, if true, would suggest he's got away with it.

I agree, and given that there's no reason whatsoever to mistrust communications out of North Korea, I think we can comfortably lay this one to rest.

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, oaksoft said:

You do realise that the emergence of Omicron doesn't mean Alpha and Delta have vanished right?

I haven't heard about any cases recently, where are they hanging out now?

[welshbairn]

3 hours ago, Elixir said:

Think everyone would be thankful if it just wiped them off the map at this point, tbh, North Koreans included.

 

Serves them right for not following the Swedish model I suppose.

[Elixir]

Wonder how much money this laugh-a-minute nonsense will be costing Spain? I'm vaxxed/boosted so wouldn't affect me, but the mere clinging to this theatre and ongoing mask fetish means normal countries will continue to get my money instead. Clowns.

 

[Elixir]

Oh dear, what a shame.

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

On 13/05/2022 at 17:24, Elixir said:

Wonder how much money this laugh-a-minute nonsense will be costing Spain? I'm vaxxed/boosted so wouldn't affect me, but the mere clinging to this theatre and ongoing mask fetish means normal countries will continue to get my money instead. Clowns.

 

In Spain just now and taxis are the only setting in which I’ve been asked to mask up.

Even then some of the drivers don’t bother.

Seems very normal

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

4 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

In Spain just now and taxis are the only setting in which I’ve been asked to mask up.

Even then some of the drivers don’t bother.

Seems very normal

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

14 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Like everywhere else, the public are voting with their feet and telling their politicians to go f**k themselves.

Or alternatively, the politicians have dropped the restrictions and miraculously the public aren’t doing stuff that they are no longer required to do.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

1 minute ago, oaksoft said:

I wasn't aware that Spain had dropped restrictions.

Well they have. Maybe you should check before making utterly shite points worthy of derision.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

3 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

I don't think they have you know.

Detail - Ministry of the Interior

I can read Spanish. Maybe run that through a translator, you malnourished welt.

[Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo]

Just now, oaksoft said:

 

I think I'll stick you on ignore until you learn to behave like a human rather than an animal.

Nite.

There’s nothing inhumane about pointing out a huge swing and a miss, champ. Stick to the cold meat and mayo.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

On 13/05/2022 at 12:22, welshbairn said:

I'm not defending his refusal of vaccines, just that a death toll of 6 in 350,000 cases, if true, would suggest he's got away with it.

Yes, he absolutely has, indeed he celebrated this (if true) by scoring a 36 under par score on the Pyongyang National Golf Course.  

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Yes, he absolutely has, indeed he celebrated this (if true) by scoring a 36 under par score on the Pyongyang National Golf Course.  

Must have been having an off day.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Yes, he absolutely has, indeed he celebrated this (if true) by scoring a 36 under par score on the Pyongyang National Golf Course.  

I looked into that, and the reporter charged with writing a report about his round didn't have a clue about golf, even less about the weird way his card was marked. So if he got a bogey it was marked as "1", a double bogey as "2", etc so he added up the score over par he got and it was printed as the greatest round in golfing history. No editor could risk correcting it so it's been left in the history books.

[Loonytoons]

On 13/05/2022 at 13:59, welshbairn said:

I haven't heard about any cases recently, where are they hanging out now?

Alpha is deemed a past variant of concern so basically gone, to put it in perspective the last reported case in UK was February as far as I can see. 

Delta was detected in less than 0.1% of cases world wide in mid March (about 2000 per day world wide at that time).  That said, not many countries perform routine genetic sequencing of infections.  What I can see is that between Germany, France and Italy, there hasn't been any Delta variants detected in over 5 weeks. 

It would seem strange if a country suddenly had a resurgence of these strains given that Omicron has pretty much knocked them out the park.

It may be grimly interesting to see if Omicron really is a "shan" variant once it eventually gets into the Chinese populace, which it undoubtedly will.  It is around 10 times more infectious than the Wuhan strain, lockdown is just holding back the inevitable.  Given that only around 30% are vaccinated over there, if vaccines are really what is holding Omicron in check, China will be hit extremely hard.  If Omicron really is just a "cold" now, and let's hope that it is, it should be pretty evident in the relative near future.

Feel free to pick at the numbers but that's what I found when having a dig about.

 

 

[Satoshi]

9 hours ago, Snafu said:

In case you missed the WHO global pandemic treaty - a good idea we must all listen to the WHO because they are automatically correct in everything or another attack on our freedoms via power grab?

https://www.who.int/news/item/01-12-2021-world-health-assembly-agrees-to-launch-process-to-develop-historic-global-accord-on-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/11/who-global-pandemic-treaty/

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2991

The treaty would give the WHO more power to intervene in how a country manages a pandemic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/14/pandemic-pact-would-leave-world-chinas-mercy/

We of course have little say in the matter, however new 'best selling author' and 'self appointed global leader' Bill Gates donates.... - In the most timely accounting period, the BMGF provided 45% of the WHO's NGO funds, or in other words 12% of the total operating expenditure of the WHO. It was revealed after the fact that the BMGF had contributed US$1.553 billion to the GAVI over the five years 2016 to 2020. Bill Gates eh!!

There's a petition for if you want to have a say and object to an unelected entity telling you how to run your life - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614335

And as we have learned over the last two years any emergency laws and guidelines don't apply to governments and their advisory committees nor the ultra wealthy.

 

 

Sounds like a good idea, a move towards an international entity tackling international challenges like the pandemic, climate change and tax evasion.

Individual countries are inept at tackling these, globalisation is the only way to go.

[welshbairn]

12 hours ago, Snafu said:

In case you missed the WHO global pandemic treaty - a good idea we must all listen to the WHO because they are automatically correct in everything or another attack on our freedoms via power grab?

https://www.who.int/news/item/01-12-2021-world-health-assembly-agrees-to-launch-process-to-develop-historic-global-accord-on-pandemic-prevention-preparedness-and-response

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/11/who-global-pandemic-treaty/

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2991

The treaty would give the WHO more power to intervene in how a country manages a pandemic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/05/14/pandemic-pact-would-leave-world-chinas-mercy/

We of course have little say in the matter, however new 'best selling author' and 'self appointed global leader' Bill Gates donates.... - In the most timely accounting period, the BMGF provided 45% of the WHO's NGO funds, or in other words 12% of the total operating expenditure of the WHO. It was revealed after the fact that the BMGF had contributed US$1.553 billion to the GAVI over the five years 2016 to 2020. Bill Gates e h!!

There's a petition for if you want to have a say and object to an unelected entity telling you how to run your life - https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/614335

And as we have learned over the last two years any emergency laws and guidelines don't apply to governments and their advisory committees nor the ultra wealthy.

 

 

I'd just like to point out that Viscount Ridley who wrote the Telegraph article was the chairman of Northern Rock who shepherded it to its death, the first UK bank to fail since 1878. His father was chairman before him. I wouldn't trust him to tie my shoelaces, whereas I probably would Bill Gates.

I think everyone would agree the next pandemic should be handled better than this one in regards transparency and rapid sharing of data and monitoring to detect and alert the world to any new emergent viruses breaking out, and global manufacture and fairer distribution of vaccines and therapeutic medicines. What they're talking about isn't very dramatic and there will be plenty time to discuss it, it won't even start being seriously considered until 2024. From the BMJ link:

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The international body formed to negotiate the treaty will hold its first meeting before 1 March 2022 to agree timelines and its second by 1 August 2022 to discuss progress on a working draft. It will simultaneously hold public hearings to inform its decisions, deliver a progress report to the 76th World Health Assembly in 2023, and submit an agreement for consideration by the 77th World Health Assembly in 2024.

So no need to panic until we at least know what they're suggesting.

Edited May 16, 2022 by welshbairn