Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[scottsdad]

2 hours ago, Elixir said:

Covid is and always has been a middle class obsession.

 

2 hours ago, Elixir said:

 

 

 

 

 

The middle classes worked from home ordering parcels from Amazon and making banana bread, while the working classes delivered said parcels and stocked supermarket shelves. Maybe one of you clearly enlightened legends could suggest otherwise?

Don't get me wrong, I'm part of the comfortable WFH class, but let's not kid on about what demographic has dragged the arse out of pandemic response. Cheers.

I think I get where you are going here. There is a middle class thought that you can shut the schools, work from home and it will all be super and lovely. I have said before that many (mostly middle class) people view the first lockdown the same way that some view the blitz - a jolly good time with everyone banding together and forgetting the tough stuff like the fear and the deaths. 

For many Covid was all rainbows in Windows, Captain Tom, clapping on Thursdays and forgetting the illness, mental health impacts, domestic violence, lost education, destroyed economy, jobs lost and so on. 

But the wording of the first post doesn't convey that well. 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I think I get where you are going here. There is a middle class thought that you can shut the schools, work from home and it will all be super and lovely. I have said before that many (mostly middle class) people view the first lockdown the same way that some view the blitz - a jolly good time with everyone banding together and forgetting the tough stuff like the fear and the deaths. 
For many Covid was all rainbows in Windows, Captain Tom, clapping on Thursdays and forgetting the illness, mental health impacts, domestic violence, lost education, destroyed economy, jobs lost and so on. 
But the wording of the first post doesn't convey that well. 

I don’t think those things were peculiarly middle-class things though. It's easy to throw in stereotypes when we all know that everyone has had a different experience of the pandemic. Even within the same household the experience may be quite different depending on the job you do etc

I think it's dangerous to pin the blame on one group in society - apart from the politicians that is.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Remember this classic

[mizfit]

Just been thinking on LFT’s no longer being free. It really is a turning point and likely signalling the end of the pandemic. However I was expecting it to be in the summer, or after this current wave ended.


I think the next step is to move to LFT testing If symptomatic, and continue until you return a negative and can leave isolation. However I’m not intelligent enough to argue that point.


On a side note, I’m confused. I’ve had symptoms since last Monday until Wednesday. Then Symptoms ramping up Thursday, I tested negative Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, with a positive yesterday. Is my isolation from Yesterday, or Thursday when symptoms began after a lull, or from Saturday when I registered a positive LFT?

[LongTimeLurker]

10 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

In refusing to acknowledge the path of the virus that has led us to Omicron and what that means, and that it is no longer 2019 in terms of virus, or susceptibility to it, Nicola Sturgeon and her followers are sailing very close to being actual science deniers at this point. 

Even back in March 2020 the IFR was about a tenth of what the models had initially assumed making the UK and most other western country's response to it completely over the top. Only Sweden avoided going down that path.

The SNP seemed to think being slightly more mental about it than Boris because we care more was a vote winning strategy after that and may well have been correct on that assumption up to omicron.

Now that it really is in typical flu season territory on IFR, they'll be pigeonholed as a bunch of unelectable incompetents by the rational pragmatic portion of the electorate if they keep it up much longer.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

We've all been broken by covid to varying degrees.

Indeed we have. There are a few on here who lack the self awareness to recognise this truth, though.

[Dons_1988]

The worrying thing is nicola clearly thinks ‘living with covid’ involves state sponsored testing of anyone and everyone for the foreseeable future. 

Id understand if she’d said this is too soon but living with covid absolutely has to involve weaning people off of this obsession and fear of this virus. 

[H Wragg]

Just been thinking on LFT’s no longer being free. It really is a turning point and likely signalling the end of the pandemic. However I was expecting it to be in the summer, or after this current wave ended.


I think the next step is to move to LFT testing If symptomatic, and continue until you return a negative and can leave isolation. However I’m not intelligent enough to argue that point.


On a side note, I’m confused. I’ve had symptoms since last Monday until Wednesday. Then Symptoms ramping up Thursday, I tested negative Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, with a positive yesterday. Is my isolation from Yesterday, or Thursday when symptoms began after a lull, or from Saturday when I registered a positive LFT?

This is the second time you've been on about this but don't appear to have booked a PCR test, which would've been the obvious course of action?

Apologies if I've got this wrong but this is how it comes across.

[Dawson Park Boy]

10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

 

 

What I don't want is some temporary removal where they could be reimposed in future.

What I am saying is that there should be a vote to completely end those emergency powers.

Any future need for emergency powers should require a new parliamentary vote.

 

In principle, I agree with what you are saying but, in practice at Holyrood, there is never any dissentient voices to be heard within the SNP.

They all just vote dependent on what NS says.

In WM it’s totally different where you constantly hear MP’s of independent opinions and not just towing the party line.

However, you do make a decent point.

[Honest_Man#1]

8 hours ago, Trogdor said:

We've all been broken by covid to varying degrees.

Yeah I’m not sure why lots of people seem to use this as an insult/way to to get under the skin of a poster. Anyone who feels they haven’t been affected by Covid is either lying or mentally unhinged.

I am absolutely heavily affected by Covid (not the virus itself, the restrictions we’ve been living under for nearly 2 years). I’ve definitely become angrier at times (whenever anyone mentions restrictions really, and especially when they try to argue that they are good and they work based on no evidence) and incredibly down at times. Why posters think that is something to use to attack other posters with baffles me.

[itzdrk]

8 hours ago, Trogdor said:

We've all been broken by covid to varying degrees.

This is fair.  Elixir and the 8 mask folk are sharing the top tier and the rest of us filter down from there. 

[craigkillie]

14 hours ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

The article was absolutely abysmal tbf. I had to go to the fullfact Twitter and search it out to get the actual story. Essentially they are claiming that the ONS survey (which is effectively an estimate) is more reliable for prevalence of Covid than official testing numbers as these depend on factors like people choosing to get tested etc. 

Seems incredibly questionable to me in all honesty.

I posted about this earlier in the thread, but the ONS study is almost certainly a more reliable estimate. The official testing numbers are basically equivalent to an estimate too, since it certainly doesn't catch all the people who actually have covid, only those who have bothered to get a test.

The ONS data consist of a completely random sample of the population, and a fairly sizeable one at that, and therefore it is representative of the population. The actual testing numbers are a self-selecting sample since there are certain elements of the population who are more likely to get tested (teachers, healthcare workers, hypochondriacs etc) and certain elements who are less likely to get tested (young people, covid sceptics etc). The latter approach is more likely to lead to a biased estimate of the true number of people with the disease.

[throbber]

What a disgraceful performance from Granny Danger last night.

[Empty It]

What a disgraceful performance from Granny Danger last night.

Surely you wouldn't have been expecting any different?

[RiG]

On 07/01/2022 at 10:25, Todd_is_God said:

At this point I can't be certain if this is a parody or not

This is a parody taken from a piss take TikTok account.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-zoom/fact-check-screenshot-of-email-in-which-employees-are-being-asked-to-wear-masks-during-a-zoom-meeting-is-satirical-idUSL1N2TN1PX

[throbber]

1 minute ago, Empty It said:

8 minutes ago, throbber said:

What a disgraceful performance from Granny Danger last night.

Surely you wouldn't have been expecting any different?

I suppose not - I’m not in this thread very often but it does seem pretty intimidating.

[Todd_is_God]

3 minutes ago, RiG said:

This is a parody taken from a piss take TikTok account.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-zoom/fact-check-screenshot-of-email-in-which-employees-are-being-asked-to-wear-masks-during-a-zoom-meeting-is-satirical-idUSL1N2TN1PX

That makes me feel better

[Jacksgranda]

9 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

I genuinely don’t know how anyone can read Covid Twitter all day.

 

FTFY

[Jacksgranda]

8 hours ago, Trogdor said:

We've all been broken by covid to varying degrees.

Thankyou, Rev Flannel...

[Michael W]

8 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

 

 

I don’t think those things were peculiarly middle-class things though. It's easy to throw in stereotypes when we all know that everyone has had a different experience of the pandemic. Even within the same household the experience may be quite different depending on the job you do etc

I think it's dangerous to pin the blame on one group in society - apart from the politicians that is.

 

Probably true overall. Plenty people that aren't middle class went and clapped for the NHS/battered pots for them and thought Captain Tom was great and likely contributed to his efforts. 

The middle classes were however undeniably in a hugely privileged position during lockdown. The vast majority of them were working from home and whilst this does come with its downsides (expecially when leisure activities are restricted) they were mostly protected from this new virus that we knew nothing about as a result. The food still got delivered, supermarkets were open and Amazon still arrived. Other people were there to serve them and encountered all the risk. The wheel kept turning albeit in a more restricted manner than usual. 

I think that's what makes the blitz spirit stuff all the weirder. Ignoring the fact that bombs weren't being dropped on their town/city at night, it wasn't exactly an equal effort in terms of keeping society going. Yet for some reason, these people have since taken it upon themselves to look down on and generally sneer at activities they don't think are worthy and that people shouldn't be doing them. All in the name of controlling the virus, of course. Or so they badge it -the real reason is that they are oblivious to the effect these measures have on people. They are alright, Jack. They then have the cheek to call people selfish for doing things they think ought to be banned. 

I don't think anyone really apportions blame to the middle classes exclusively, but there is a prevalent mindset amongst a fair proportion of that demographic that is grating. In short, society should be restricted to protect them from encountering the virus and to hell with everyone else this impacts. We've seen it with hospitality, with foreign travel and most recently with football too. Never mind other people's enjoyment and never mind their livelihoods either; I demand I do not catch this virus I have been triple vaccinated against. It's a thoroughly selfish attitude and it has to stop, particularly the strange expectation they have that these things ought to be done on a mere whim. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Michael W
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