Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Billy Jean King]

Why not?
 
 
If we are going to live with it like like a cold then isolating those with mild illness needs to go. 

You think nursing staff with infections should be working with potentially vulnerable patients many who will have compromised immune systems be that a cold, flu or Covid. It didn't happen pre Covid and won't happen in the future thankfully. That's crazy stuff.

Yes Covid will become endemic and lived with but there will still be the same exceptions that have always existed. If one thing comes out of all this it will be that we need to stop "soldiering on" with infections and infecting swathes of work colleagues never mind those they care for.

[LongTimeLurker]

9 minutes ago, ddfg said:

Large scale sporting events risk being superspreaders so shut them down, schools and school age children are proven to be superspreaders so she chooses to keep them open. Basically public health only takes precedence when it suits her agenda?

That was what was so moronic about a lot of what they were doing earlier this year. You can't pick and choose based on political expediency if you want to make an actual difference to the extent that the Australians were able to. So much high risk stuff was being kept open that the whole process of slowly ramping up the nanny state restrictions over low risk activities like sparsely attended lower league football was a complete waste of time. The wave was still going to keep rising and people were still going to be infected regardless.

Edited December 29, 2021 by LongTimeLurker

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Why not?
 
 
If we are going to live with it like like a cold then isolating those with mild illness needs to go. 

We know that for those with underlying health issues there is still a concern - it's fine saying it's mild for that individual - that may not necessarily be the case for the clinically vulnerable.

Perhaps the real issue is that NHS staff who have tested positive cannot return to work even if they are returning negative test results later on.

[anotherchance]

6 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

Did she just say not to overinterpret studies. The irony, she's overinterpreting the number of cases. 

Shout out to the Denmark data she misunderstood last week.

[EdinburghLivi]

"Financial support for businesses in Scotland is proportionally higher than in England".

Some brass neck comparing Scotland and England with the relative restrictions lol

[Billy Jean King]

Who sunk the heid into Sarwar lol, that's some lump above his eye.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

No new restrictions is good.
It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.
Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.
The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

I think it's a more positive briefing than the one some expected.

Definitely right about the data regard "with Covid" "for Covid" - it would give a much clearer picture, especially for ICU admissions.

[Elixir]

30 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said:

15,849 new cases of COVID-19 reported*

63,238 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results*

28.9% of these were positive

3 new reported death(s) of people who have tested positive

36 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (34 on Christma Eve)

679 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (536 on Christmas Eve)

ICU admissions barely moving, with generic hospital numbers swollen by incidental admissions, despite high case numbers.

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold, being made more of an issue by ludicrous isolation rules for health staff who aren't actually unwell?

[Distant Doonhamer]

12 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

No new restrictions is good.

It's also good that they plan to "interrogate" the data to breakdown who is in hospital for covid vs with covid, but they should have been doing this a long time ago, not just now because they have put inconvenient, overzealous restrictions in place that they need an excuse to bin.

Slightly frustrating to keep hearing "we just need a wee bit more data" though, as, by the time the 17th rolls round, that will be nearly 2 months since the Steps concert - IMO 2 months to reach conclusions where restrictions rather than normality is the status quo is too long.

The "we will decide what is a proportionate response after the 17th" message I'm not sure what to make of, but it doesn't sound like they are going to just lift things in the one go.

That's pretty much my take on the update as well.

No new restrictions and an acknowledgement that looking at the data re those in hospital because of Covid and those with Covid is crucial are good things (Agree we should have been doing this already).

Share your frustrations too but surely nobody was really expecting anything different at this stage. 

Good to hear we now have 2,901,719 folk having had 3rd dose/booster.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, EdinburghLivi said:

"Financial support for businesses in Scotland is proportionally higher than in England".

Some brass neck comparing Scotland and England with the relative restrictions lol

Good point. The majority of financial aid that hospitality / events businesses in England will need right now is to foot their SSP / CSP bills brought on by staff being forced to isolate.

[Distant Doonhamer]

Just now, Elixir said:

ICU admissions barely moving, with generic hospital numbers swollen by incidental admissions, despite high case numbers.

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold, being made more of an issue by ludicrous isolation rules for health staff who aren't actually unwell?

Yes I think the hospital and ICU numbers are very positive. 

[ddfg]

4 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

If the agenda involves prioritising education over football, that doesn't sound too outrageous.

If the priority is to minimise cases and protect the NHS shutting the schools makes more sense than banning vaccinated adults standing outside in the fresh air for a couple of hours. 

[Honest_Man#1]

9 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

You think nursing staff with infections should be working with potentially vulnerable patients many who will have compromised immune systems be that a cold, flu or Covid. It didn't happen pre Covid and won't happen in the future thankfully. That's crazy stuff.

Yes Covid will become endemic and lived with but there will still be the same exceptions that have always existed. If one thing comes out of all this it will be that we need to stop "soldiering on" with infections and infecting swathes of work colleagues never mind those they care for.

I’m not sure that’s realistic or else the NHS will always be at breaking point with staff absence. If staff are symptomatic then that’s one thing, but if you genuinely think testing of all staff to find asymptomatic cases will be a permanent thing then the NHS is done. This isn’t something that happened in the past, so unsure where you’re getting that from? Asymptomatic staff have never been tested daily for the common cold?

[Todd_is_God]

2 minutes ago, Elixir said:

How much more evidence do we need that this is a glorified cold

A lot of responses to this seem to center around "if you still think it's a cold / flu after 2 years..."

It's not possible to converse in a meaningful way with people who hold that particular view as they choose to ignore that the "payload" of the current virus variant in circulation is almost unrecognisable to the Wuhan variant.

[Detournement]

37 minutes ago, Honest Saints Fan said:

Long covid klaxon. She's not said that for a week or 2.

I predicted that yesterday. 

She didn't recall parliament to say nothing. Whatever she had planned for today she bottled doing it as public opinion has turned.

 

[Elixir]

A wee update on the 'Independent SAGE' approved Chinese approach to 'dealing with covid':

 

[Detournement]

What's actually happening in the one locked down city in China. 

[LongTimeLurker]

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

A lot of responses to this seem to center around "if you still think it's a cold / flu after 2 years..."

It's not possible to converse in a meaningful way with people who hold that particular view as they choose to ignore that the "payload" of the current virus variant in circulation is almost unrecognisable to the Wuhan variant.

...and are probably unaware that many colds are caused by....wait for it....drum roll....relatively mild coronaviuses.

[Todd_is_God]

As she's now said it twice, NS surely cannot genuinely believe that hospitality venues in England are "facing the same challenges" as venues in Scotland?

They aren't being forcibly closed or having their capacities capped - they are open and allowed to trade to their full capabilities (with income dictated by public footfall alone).

Answers like that are disingenuous and it's odd that none of the opposition politicians have picked up on that answer.

[falkirkthebigclub]

5 minutes ago, Elixir said:

A wee update on the 'Independent SAGE' approved Chinese approach to 'dealing with covid':