Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, TheScarf said:

I'll take a photo of mine them amirite!

You'll want a wide angle lens. 

[Dawson Park Boy]

Interesting debate on a Politics Live just now with Tim Stanley and Mark Harper MP arguing for a libertarian approach.

There was also a woman from IPSOS MORI who said that the public were overwhelmingly in favour of MORE restrictions and even banning all foreign travel.

Very depressing!!

[101]

10 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

I wouldn't disagree with any of that.

The restrictions are a desperate attempt to shore up an NHS that those in charge have allowed to be run into the ground, leaving no room to cope with an emergency such as covid or a bad flu season.

We should have spent 18 months attacking the politicians for this because their combined actions are the direct cause of so many of the 150k or so deaths but instead we've allowed ourselves to get caught up in wittering shite about who is and who is not wearing their masks properly and posting photos of "offenders" on Twitter.

It's often said that we get the government we deserve. Having Boris and Nicola in charge is a reflection of societies unwillingness to pay attention to the type of people we hand the keys of power over to. In many ways, it's as much a failure of society as it is of Boris and Nicola. In Nicola's case, it's only become apparent very recently that she is out of her depth and a control freak but we've known about Boris for over a decade.

I would only add that the NHS was always going to fail at its current rate Covid just spread that up.

Have to agree that we should all be far more pissed off with out politicians, but it requires time and effort most people don't have and then folk just don't bother going along to vote.

The Scottish parliament does need a second house to hold the first chamber to account. Likewise with the UK parliament if Boris didn't have such a huge majority he would have been chucked long ago mainly for being completely hopeless. The FM and PM do hold large swathes of the public in a sort of fan club, politicians ought to be treated with suspicion imo.

[Michael W]

What value is there is a predeparture test when 10% of South Africans landing in the Netherlands tested positive, having previously submitted a negative test before flying? 

Reminder also that around 4% of passengers from India also arrived in the UK last April and tested positive for covid having submitted a negative test. 

Doesn't seem very valuable to me at all. 

 

[Meldrew]

8 hours ago, oaksoft said:

You remind me of an old uncle of mine.

Just like you, he used to crack the same joke every time I spoke to him.

At first people laughed because it was a good joke.

Then after the 18th telling, people started to audibly groan in his presence.

Eventually we stopped inviting him round at Christmas.

He died alone with his cats a few years ago.

There's a lesson in there Welshy.

is the lesson, you and everyone else involved in your christmas dinner are c***s ?

Edited December 1, 2021 by Meldrew

[LongTimeLurker]

Something to watch closely:

 

[Glennie]

33 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

You are correct about the smoke detectors and, I think, carbon monoxide detectors as well. Anyway, it cost me a good few hundred pounds a few months ago. The electrician was telling me that he was so busy and it was all so lucrative that he had bought stock for about £12k to cash in on it.

About all this compliance nonsense, everyone should just ignore it and LIVE!!

people complained about the nanny state in the 80s, was like a libertarian paradise compared to even 2018

nannying hysteria like for this coof was inevitable at some point when people keep voting for nanny statists

[welshbairn]

23 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Something to watch closely:

 

Unless they were on a private jet they would have flown via South Africa, wherever they were from.

[Michael W]

17 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Something to watch closely:

 

Well it was found in Belgium from a passenger that returned from Egyot on the 11th of November. Whether that's coincidence and the person caught it in Belgium, who knows. The Netherlands also confirmed cases of it before SA announced it. 

I find it surprising that given it clearly has been in Europe before SA detected it, that it wasn't detected before. The UK is renowned for being good at sequencing and SA's programme has likewise been praised. I don't know for sure, but would imagine western Europe is also pretty reasonable at it as well. Seems strange that it wasn't caught before. 

 

[The Moonster]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Anyone who bases their Covid precautions on Boris Fucking Johnson's behaviour is an idiot. He's the man who bragged about shaking every patient's hand in a Covid ward before getting hospitalised with it.

It's not about "basing their precautions" on what Boris does. It's about the sacrifices people made. Some folk didn't see their own, elderly parents for almost a year because we were told it would protect the country until we had effective treatments, yet those who are in power just swanned about doing whatever the f**k they liked. Everyone now has some form of protection against this virus, whether that's through infection or vaccines, so the next time Boris tries to tell us we need to sacrifice more of our lives being locked up, you really shouldn't be surprised (or bizarrely have the audacity to call other people idiots) when they inevitably tell Boris where to ram it. 

[accies1874]

You remind me of an old uncle of mine.
Just like you, he used to crack the same joke every time I spoke to him.
At first people laughed because it was a good joke.
Then after the 18th telling, people started to audibly groan in his presence.
Eventually we stopped inviting him round at Christmas.
He died alone with his cats a few years ago.
There's a lesson in there Welshy.

I think I might be your uncle.

[welshbairn]

10 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Some folk didn't see their own, elderly parents for almost a year because we were told it would protect the country

I always saw that as about protecting the elderly parents. I do what I think helps protect others and myself, how politicians behave doesn't affect that.

Edited December 1, 2021 by welshbairn

[The Moonster]

Just now, welshbairn said:

I always saw that as about protecting the elderly parents.

lol, I don't know why I bother. I'll let you and the others fight this out till the end of time. 

[Glennie]

3 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

lol, I don't know why I bother. I'll let you and the others fight this out till the end of time. 

[Michael W]

6 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

It's not about "basing their precautions" on what Boris does. It's about the sacrifices people made. Some folk didn't see their own, elderly parents for almost a year because we were told it would protect the country until we had effective treatments, yet those who are in power just swanned about doing whatever the f**k they liked. Everyone now has some form of protection against this virus, whether that's through infection or vaccines, so the next time Boris tries to tell us we need to sacrifice more of our lives being locked up, you really shouldn't be surprised (or bizarrely have the audacity to call other people idiots) when they inevitably tell Boris where to ram it. 

Absolutely.

I was pretty annoyed back in early 2021 as my MP at the time (Alok Sharma) was flying around the world to talk to various countries about COP. Meanwhile, his constituents and indeed the country as a whole were under a severe lockdown and banned from visiting friends and family. I am quite sure that even in the least developed countries that they are capable of using Teams or Zoom. He might argue face to face would be better than using Zoom and I would agree, but even if we don't like them, the leaders should be setting the example and modelling the correct behaviour. I'm sure many people would have liked to meet face to face, but they were banned by law from doing so. His actions laid out a poor example; restrictions are for the plebs.

Johnson is a arsehole and whilst I don't think he's a good model at all, if he behaves in a way that flouts restrictions then all moral authority is lost. It doesn't make it right if others do it, but it is understandable. The rules after all are supposed to apply to us all. 

 

 

[Dawson Park Boy]

17 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

It's not about "basing their precautions" on what Boris does. It's about the sacrifices people made. Some folk didn't see their own, elderly parents for almost a year because we were told it would protect the country until we had effective treatments, yet those who are in power just swanned about doing whatever the f**k they liked. Everyone now has some form of protection against this virus, whether that's through infection or vaccines, so the next time Boris tries to tell us we need to sacrifice more of our lives being locked up, you really shouldn't be surprised (or bizarrely have the audacity to call other people idiots) when they inevitably tell Boris where to ram it. 

I’m just amazed at how meekly people adhere’d to the ‘rules’.

I just refused. No government has the right to tell me whom I should see or mix with.

If I’m breaking the law, so be it.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 minutes ago, Glennie said:

All those people unable to get cancer diagnosis or treatment and people who couldnt get mental health treatment amongst a myriad of other illnesses and died, because of all that protection the government gave them must feel really good to hear that. 

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, Wee Bully said:

I’m also aware, like most of your postings, it is just a made up story.  However, it really doesn’t paint you in a great light.  Rather than simply telling your uncle that you didn’t want to hear the same joke any more, you stopped inviting him round and he died alone? What a lovely way to treat a member of your family.

1 hour ago, Meldrew said:

is the lesson, you and everyone else involved in you christmas dinner are c***s ?

 

FFS. What are you two numpties like?

Edited December 1, 2021 by oaksoft

[Todd_is_God]

I've said it before, but i'll say it again. The way our MPs etc have behaved throughout should open people's eyes to their individual risk from Covid.

These people aren't doing these things primarily to wind the public up - they are doing them because they know the risk to their health is extremely low. If they felt there was genuine danger, they wouldn't do it.

That doesn't make it ok to break the rules, and people should be angry that the rules seemingly didn't / don't apply to them, but they should also see this and stop being scared by Covid and instead be demanding they be allowed to get on with their normal lives.

Edited December 1, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[oaksoft]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Interesting debate on a Politics Live just now with Tim Stanley and Mark Harper MP arguing for a libertarian approach.

There was also a woman from IPSOS MORI who said that the public were overwhelmingly in favour of MORE restrictions and even banning all foreign travel.

Very depressing!!

I'm not so sure about that.

We're no different to England and they ditched their masks at the first sign of the law being dropped. That tells me that people are complying because they are being told to rather than actually wanting to.

Will be interesting to see if they are prepared to go back on them again.

My daughter told me that yesterday, virtually nobody was wearing them anywhere in either shops or public transport but it's maybe a bit early to be certain what's going on down South.

Edited December 1, 2021 by oaksoft