Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[craigkillie]

1 hour ago, 101 said:

We pay their wages and own them 24/7 365 they should be working non stop if the country is in such a state yet all that seems to of happened at number 10 is constant parties.

This is unreasonable and unrealistic. Regardless of their job they have the right to reasonably defined working hours and the right to go on holiday. Asking people to work non-stop, even in times of crisis, is not conducive to good decision making.

[renton]

The money so far wouldn't touch the sides of Furlough. I see they are talking about 8pm Curfews and such like at Westminster now.

Should be noted that the narrative about Sturgeon trying Greivance-monger for her own gains kind of falls apart when you realise that the advice she's getting is consistent with advice being given to Westminster who slowly are being talked around into it, and that Denmark, the Netherlands, Germany and Norway at least have already sped past us into wide ranging restrictions.

Despite the more positive data coming out of both South Africa and Denmark, the public health advice being given out to European governments seems to be fairly consistent in its caution.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Gaz said:

 

Not any more. I've had three jabs, pretty much everyone at risk has had three jabs. What the hell are we supposed to do?

You should be reassured that Nicola cares. 
 

Seriously though Im sorry its had that impact on you, you’re not alone in that, im really worried about the impact its had on a loved one too. I think the fall out from this hasnt even registered yet.
 

 

[Rodhull]

10 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Who is this man talking sense and why has he been given a platform to cancel lockdown? 

He's a right wing think-tank funded loon.

[bairn88]

If we get through whatever Christmas/January rise of hospitalisations is coming with a relatively low peak (you know, like a flu season that's happened every single year of my life), I'm not sure the British/Scottish govs will be forgiven so easily this time.

Literally hourly drip feeding of fear/doom mongering news for the past 3 weeks, and its not even Christmas yet. Shot mine and many others mental health to buggery. Hospitality industry decimated due to their words, with no financial support. For some reason I usually quite enjoy Christmas. Its a laugh. The pain of what might or might not be to come after it has me thinking oh, I need to just get through it this year. Something really does have to change.

 

[Zetterlund]

Guest ofter guest on the BBC this morning parroting the need for more restrictions, laughably saying nobody who has seen the latest Sage data could disagree

Also Leitch, not sure if it was the same interview people mentioned yesterday, but he claimed omicron didn't exist "anywhere in the world" 21 days ago. Just a straight lie and treating the viewers as idiots.

He also had a sarcastic dig at people on twitter thinking they know better than the experts. I'm guessing this was aimed at people on twitter correctly pointing out data from other experts with first-hand experience dealing with omicron.

[smpar]

Nope. I do not accept that at all, and don’t do it.

Why not?

[CALDERON]

Cabinet meeting at 2pm for English government.  Here we go.

Edited December 20, 2021 by CALDERON

[welshbairn]

12 minutes ago, Zetterlund said:

Also Leitch, not sure if it was the same interview people mentioned yesterday, but he claimed omicron didn't exist "anywhere in the world" 21 days ago. Just a straight lie and treating the viewers as idiots.

A bit harsh to call it a lie, he was likely meaning when it was first identified.

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But, say you, surely there is nothing easier than for me to imagine trees, for instance, in a park, or books existing in a closet, and nobody by to perceive them.

The objects of sense exist only when they are perceived; the trees therefore are in the garden... no longer than while there is somebody by to perceive them. George Berkley 1710

 

[Elixir]

 

[vikingTON]

15 minutes ago, CALDERON said:

Cabinet meeting at 2pm for English government.  Here we go.

Here we go for what? Johnson getting emptied?

[CALDERON]

Just now, virginton said:

Here we go for what? Johnson getting emptied?

Johnson shitting the bed re restrictions,  I would guess.

[Donathan]

Boris considering 3 options:

 

1. Guidance to reduce household mixing as per the SG last week

 

2. Outright legal ban on household mixing and 8pm hospitality curfew

 

3. Full lockdown

 

 

Scientists apparently pushing for option 2 but cabinet want option 1 

[Squalor Vic]

52 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Who is this man talking sense and why has he been given a platform to cancel lockdown? 

BBC just getting the last couple paragraphs of doom-mongering in case anyone gets their hopes up

[vikingTON]

Just now, CALDERON said:

Johnson shitting the bed re restrictions,  I would guess.

Johnson doesn't have the authority to make decisions by himself any more. There was a 100 MP rebellion just last week on Plan B and a senior ministerial resignation about restrictions over the weekend. Throw in a by-election trouncing and the leadership candidates will be on manoeuvres.

Unlike the SG hivemind, a UK Cabinet meeting is not a fait accompli for restrictions. 

[Left Back]

15 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

A bit harsh to call it a lie, he was likely meaning when it was first identified.

 

It was reported to WHO on 24th November.  the first known confirmed sample was from 9th November.  Take either of those dates as your measure of when it was first identified and he's still talking rubbish.

[Michael W]

I went along with the lockdowns because there was simply nothing else at that time. No vaccines, no specific treatments developed. The first wave also carried a big unknown as to how covid would affect people. It did seem that I would probably be fine if I caught it, but there was that we just don't know element behind it as it was new. 

We are now in the situation where a large percentage of the over 12 population has been double vaccinated, and the percentage of those boostered is also increasing quickly. Indeed, I got mine today. This was badged as the way out (goalpost shifting on how many were needed notwithstanding) and look where we are now: drip drip drip threats of more restrictions or circuit breakers every day, outright demands for money for restrictions to be implemented and gormless TV addresses about boosters with a threatening undercurrent attached. Watching similarly highly vaccinated populations in Ireland and the Netherlands being forced into harsher lockdowns is frankly depressing. 

People are fed up with restrictions, that much is clear. There is no choice but to comply with some measures (cinemas being shut, restaurants being forced to takeaway only etc.) but where there is discretion, support is vanishing. Possibly aided by revelations that the government was more than happy to file those in the bin out of arrogant entitlement whilst the plebs dutifully undertook them, but breaking point was being reached. We're nearly at two whole years of this and the cataclysmic messaging and models being produced are like having us all back in March 2020 just before we were locked down. Enough is enough, frankly. The vaccines are still effective against serious disease, we have treatments with high rates of success and have very high vaccine coverage innthe population. This is not March 2020 and it is an insult to us all that some seem to be treating it as such. 

Covid is not going away; we are stuck with it. The answer cannot be perennial short notice shutdowns of businesses and arbitrary restructions of people's fundamental rights. What happened to that adult conversation? Maybe we could start there. 

It is pleasing to see patience running out here and more opposition to lockdown measures appearing. We have been misled and indeed outrightly lied to during the last two years and it is about time serious political consequences were dished out for this. Most people did what they were told: followed the frankly at times inhumane restructions, made sacrifices and got  vaccinated. Seemingly, this is now not enough and more is demanded. I think that they have taken quite enough already, frankly. 

Of course, measures to follow will be badged as essential to "protect our NHS" just as previous measures have been. Would this be the NHS that is in perennial crisis every winter and which has been at times during the last two years the National Covid-19 Service? There's been nearly two years now for the politicians to work this one out and what have they done? "Here's some more money, now piss off" Nothing on trying to build better capacity, nothing on how the system can more effectively manage covid. It is not really acceptable to impose restrictions on society due to the healthcare system being under pressure; it is certainly not acceptable to do so when said pressures are occurring on your watch when you are also responsible for the healthcare system. 

Every government in the UK at the moment has been in power for at least a decade and they've done f**k all to stop the standard NHS winter problems It's high time they owned their failures, which are now culpable for the dragging out of this ongoing shit show. 

[Gaz]

Surely they know that any sort of 'guidance' will be roundly ignored. If they seriously want households to avoid mixing the only way to do it is to make it law and even there will be millions of folk who will just ignore it.

[Jan Vojáček]

5 minutes ago, Donathan said:

Boris considering 3 options:

 

1. Guidance to reduce household mixing as per the SG last week

 

2. Outright legal ban on household mixing and 8pm hospitality curfew

Best of luck to anyone trying to enforce that.

[Elixir]

These fucking loser scientists think people should be banned from who they let in their own home. Get them in the fucking bin NOW.