Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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1 hour ago, virginton said:

specifically football buses) posed a concern.

Tbh I would be entirely for busses like Balirgowrie Bhoys or Lochgelly Loyal being banned until there isn't a single case of Covid world wide. We can't be too safe. 

[Clown Job]

I don’t think I could handle another lockdown

The last one I was one of the few people in my work who wasn’t furloughed, being stuck in the house working day after day for 7 months listening to shite like “We should feel lucky we have a reason to get out of bed”

Nah, f**k that.

[Left Back]

There's yer new pingdemic off and running.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59697008

[Bairnardo]

Just now, Left Back said:

There's yer new pingdemic off and running.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59697008

It seems scarily predictable that the biggest issues of the next 2 months will be ones of our own making. 

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2 minutes ago, Left Back said:

There's yer new pingdemic off and running.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59697008

The amount of postponements in the English football league is staggering, if other businesses have comparable absences they have to have income support otherwise they could be going to the wall.

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

It seems scarily predictable that the biggest issues of the next 2 months will be ones of our own making. 

10 days off work for having, or living with someone who has, a cold. In Scotland. In winter.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Left Back]

9 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

It seems scarily predictable that the biggest issues of the next 2 months will be ones of our own making. 

Yet again learned no lessons from previous waves.  Forcing healthy people to stay at home causes it's own issues.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Left Back

[Elixir]

17 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

✔ Bald

✔ Specky

✔ Tube

Out for dinner and a few scoops this Friday evening to support Scotland's wonderful hospitality industry. Even if I caught Ronacron, I'd still not be altering my Christmas plans one bit.

[staggy1929]

I was a fan of Sturgeon pre pandemic now I genuinely cringe whenever I hear her speak. Also f**k the tories.

[scottsdad]

A lot of stuff in the media and folk like Mundell saying "save Christmas Day by not going out before then". Well, if I get pinged today the difference it makes will be negligible. I'd see my folks a couple of days after Christmas instead. So what? There is no huge issue with seeing them on that specific day. Current plans are to see them on the 25th but it would make no difference at all if I went on, say, the 28th. Christmas would not be "ruined" like the media keep saying.

Food getting delivered, I have 38 litres of homebrew beer and 9 bottles of homebrew wine here. I have good takeaways that deliver. 

Would not be the end of the world

[Aladdin]

Im meant to be going to a party tonight.  The issue I have is, should I catch it, my wife would also have to isolate for 10 days.  Meant to be going down to her mums in England on 24th for her to see her gran, who isnt in the best of health, which would be scuppered by a positive test.

So, do I play rona roulette tonight or bide in, thus avoiding a potential situation of a prolonged period of her absolutely fuming if end up positive and scupper her family Xmas plans.

[NorthernLights]

South African hospitalization rates drop during Omicron surge

But we just don't know says Sturgeon again and again.

Edited December 17, 2021 by NorthernLights

[Elixir]

2 minutes ago, NorthernLights said:

South African hospitalization rates drop during Omicron surge

But we just don't know says Sturgeon again and again.

The party's over.

 

[betting competition]

Just now, NorthernLights said:

South African hospitalization rates drop during Omicron surge

But we just don't know says Sturgeon again and again.

Chris Witty mentioned this in the UK press conference a few days ago and he mentioned that it is difficult to judge with South Africa because their previous wave they wasn't vaccinated.

Only time will tell but the panic with the numbers of cases is so wrong. Its all about looking at Hospital figures and that does go up a lot then they will have to put restrictions in.  

[ddfg]

Out tonight for dinner with friends, had lunch in a pub in St Andrews last weekend and day out planned in Edinburgh on Monday. Stuff this hubble, bubble toil and trouble fear mongering nonsense for a game of soldiers, we shall all be a long time dead which in all probability will not be as a result of covid. 

 

[bairn88]

7 minutes ago, Snafu said:

LSHTM -

The most optimistic scenario (low immune escape of Omicron and high effectiveness of boosters), a wave of infection is projected which could lead to a peak of over 2,000 daily hospital admissions, with 175,000 (95% CI: 139,000–198,000) hospitalisations and 24,700 (19,500–28,700) deaths between 1st December 2021 and 30th April 2022, if no additional control measures are implemented over and above the current ‘Plan B’ policy in England.

The most pessimistic scenario (high immune escape and lower effectiveness of boosters) projects a wave of infection which is likely to lead to a peak in hospital admissions around twice as high as the peak seen in January 2021, if no additional control measures are taken, with 492,000 (418,000–537,000) hospitalisations and 74,800 (63,500–82,900) deaths.

This is what they are all reading and hoping for the optimistic scenario. I'm predicting their models yet again are so off they are away out into space to have their own adventure.

Even 19,500 deaths is ever so slightly a little bit on the high side, just a tad.

I had to look up definition of optimism on google just in case the word had been re allocated another meaning.

Weren't their "optimistic" figures for "freedom day" til now absolutely wildly wrong? Soemthing crazy like 3x or more the deaths than what we actually had was their most optimistic? Sadly don't have the figures but why would we ever listen to their modelling ever again.

[D Angelo Barksdale]

 

[Elixir]

5 minutes ago, bairn88 said:

Weren't their "optimistic" figures for "freedom day" til now absolutely wildly wrong? Soemthing crazy like 3x or more the deaths than what we actually had was their most optimistic? Sadly don't have the figures but why would we ever listen to their modelling ever again.

Yes.

Their funding should be siphoned off immedistely and their modelling geeks reassigned to teaching standard grade maths instead.

[scottsdad]

43 minutes ago, Aladdin said:

Im meant to be going to a party tonight.  The issue I have is, should I catch it, my wife would also have to isolate for 10 days.  Meant to be going down to her mums in England on 24th for her to see her gran, who isnt in the best of health, which would be scuppered by a positive test.

So, do I play rona roulette tonight or bide in, thus avoiding a potential situation of a prolonged period of her absolutely fuming if end up positive and scupper her family Xmas plans.

You have the power, chief. Just consider - would you like a perfectly legitimate reason to skip Christmas with in-laws? If so, head on out to the party and mingle. 

[Adamski]

46 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

Adamski, with the utmost respect, I can't speak for anyone else but personally I'm absolutely done with people producing models for infections.

It's pretty clear that as humans we don't understand anywhere near enough about how viruses spread and it's also crystal clear that our scientists don't have enough of a clue about how humans behave to produce credible numbers.

I'm sure you're a good scientist but after 2 years of people climbing over themselves to give predictions as "experts" I'm done with all of it, whether those models predict numbers I like or don't like.

And I'm saying that as a former scientist who specialised in computational work.

I've got a few irons in the fire as far as Covid is concerned, but I'm definitely no expert. And I don't think models tell the whole story, but they do have a part to play. If they're good then they should give forewarning of things that are worth preparing for or highlighting when that's not the case. And there's some things that aren't exactly rocket science: if on Monday to Thursday the case rates are about 1.5 times what they were last week, then on Friday they'll most likely they'll be about 1.5 times what they were last Friday too. They might not be, but it's a best guess. I don't think it'll surprise anyone that the biggest rises in cases this year happened during the initial unlocking in May, the Euros (which has the record for the current week to week rise), when the schools went back, and now.

I personally know quite a few of the people who have been in the press and on TV throughout all of this, including one very high profile one. Certainly of them, I'd be very surprised if there's anyone who sees this as their fifteen minutes of fame and an opportunity to make a name for themselves. Mainly people who hope that their expertise can add to the general understanding of the virus and make a bit of a difference to the outcome, and who would rather it was all done so that they can get back to their normal lives and doing the types of science they enjoy. And it's not hard to find people in the community who are opposed to the types of restrictions currently being put in place.

People want clear answers. All scientists can do is offer their best guess based on their experiences of other respiratory viruses, plus the two years or so to learn about this one. And if possible present those guesses clearly, and taking into account the economic/social/mental factors that might not point to the same conclusions as the scientific ones.