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42 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

I remember the good old days when you could rock up at the Passport Office in Cowcaddens, take a paper ticket, wait for your number to be called up (4-5 hour wait) and then get your passport right there and then after flashing a couple of bits of ID (driving licence, bank statement and a passport sized photo).  I assume you can't do that anymore.

You can if you pay for the premium service

https://www.gov.uk/get-a-passport-urgently/online-premium-service

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42 minutes ago, oaksoft said:

I remember the good old days when you could rock up at the Passport Office in Cowcaddens, take a paper ticket, wait for your number to be called up (4-5 hour wait) and then get your passport right there and then after flashing a couple of bits of ID (driving licence, bank statement and a passport sized photo).  I assume you can't do that anymore.

When the “new” passports were first issued back in the late eighties I went to the Passport office in Glasgow to get one, did exactly as you did and the passport arrived two days later. It must have been one of the first ones issued as the number was around 0000004000.  I flew a couple of weeks later to France with it , at Passport Control it was given a good look at by the staff as they had never seen the new style.

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16 hours ago, Left Back said:

Don’t remember the government advice being we’re introducing a covid passport app but by the way you should have your own redundant mechanisms in place in case our app is shonky.

It's just common sense though, I get your point but unfortunately the airline punter or the customs bloke isn't interested in the slightest about what the Government say and ultimately you'll be refused boarding whether it's outwith your control or not.

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19 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

No you didn't. You were rightly ridiculed for suggesting that, in 2021, it was a good idea to carry a photocopy of your passport so you could cross borders if you lost it.

 

16 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:

BBC News - NHS Covid Pass: Vaccine records access restored after outage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-58901435

I'd be furious if being refused boarding by an airline due to an app outage.

 

16 hours ago, welshbairn said:

You'd be daft not to print off the PDF in any case, your phone isn't 100% reliable.

 

16 hours ago, Left Back said:

This is a ridiculous statement.  We live in a digital first world.  Companies and governments have been trying to digitise things for years and you dismiss this by basically saying we should all have paper backups for things in case?

 

16 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

I realise welshbairn has long been playing a bit on here where he defends everything the government does in the most reductive way possible but it's genuinely fascinating to see how idiotic he can be when doing it. 

 

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3 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

They've always been pretty good at detecting those people who were currently infectious, they were only panned because they weren't capable of detecting tiny viral fragments like the PCR test could, which was presented as "must be wrong"

Funnily enough, now that we are reaching the end stage, and scaling back mass PCR testing is no doubt in the pipeline, they are suddenly being pushed as accurate afterall.

The media and "The science" have been a disgrace throughout.

100% nail on head.

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1 hour ago, Snafu said:

We have digital borders now?

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No, not the last couple of times that I've travelled post brexit.

Having said that, Prestwick has never had these machines and the Spanish Airports were directing all NON EU travelleres to the manual passport control to have your passport checked and stamped as presumably the EU system is no longer set up to scan the UK passports ??

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19 minutes ago, budmiester1 said:

When the “new” passports were first issued back in the late eighties I went to the Passport office in Glasgow to get one, did exactly as you did and the passport arrived two days later. It must have been one of the first ones issued as the number was around 0000004000.  I flew a couple of weeks later to France with it , at Passport Control it was given a good look at by the staff as they had never seen the new style.

It's still the same or at least was 2 years ago.

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I fair released the outrage last night by suggesting it might be wise to keep a paper copy of important stuff when you're travelling in case your phone fails or you lose it. You get similar reactions if you argue that cash can be useful or that it's pleasant to read a physical newspaper sometimes instead of on your phone. Digital fundamentalism gone mad imo.


I think some people here would be shocked to learn that a significant number of people at Manchester Airport were using paper documents - boarding passes, vaccination certificates and Passenger Locator Forms.

I usually have everything in paper form given previous issues trying to use mobile devices, for example, poor signal, or my own senior moments of going in the pool with my phone in my trunks (as I did in Mexico).

There's also the reality that with the app launch being a complete joke I didn't have much faith in it. I've also found in Kos that going into bars and restaurants, when they do check, it's usually easier with paper than using the app.
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The reason people get frustrated at things you post is because they have absolutely no relevance to anything people actually post about. Years ago you managed to get home from abroad once after losing your passport because you had a photocopy of it. Fine. You contacted airlines/whoever explaining the situation and an allowance was made for what would have been an isolated occurrence. Your planning saved you. Fine.
From what I remember this started after a story yesterday about the vaccine passport app not working. This isn't a couple of people going abroad, this is literally tens of thousands of people in the country at a time, every day, having to use this. Something they have no say in, it's just government mandated for them to be able to carry on with their lives as normal. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect all of those people to forgo the main advertised means of using this passport and carry a backup with them at all times? Do you see everyone going to a football match with this? What about pished folk in a nightclub queue? 
The reason people get so fucking irritated with what you post isn't what you seem to think it is, that being a childish tantrum borne of misplaced intelligence and recklessness. People are frustrated because their lives are still subject to restrictions which don't really do much to case numbers or death numbers, they have a government extending and expanding those restrictions with no stated end date, and they have condescending p***ks like you playing a role of simpleton to try and score points over them on the internet. Grow the f**k up. 
Not carrying backup for the vaccine passport is fucking stupidity though given it was an unmitigated disaster at launch.
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Can I also confirm +1 for paper copies of everything when travelling abroad. Suits my OCD nature.

However, for Covid passportery I've a photo of my QR code saved on my phone. If i dont get in somehwere with it, meh, I'll go home. Can't see the resulting ballache being anywhere the same level as being abroad with everything saved to a dud phone.

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9 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:


 

 


I think some people here would be shocked to learn that a significant number of people at Manchester Airport were using paper documents - boarding passes, vaccination certificates and Passenger Locator Forms.

I usually have everything in paper form given previous issues trying to use mobile devices, for example, poor signal, or my own senior moments of going in the pool with my phone in my trunks (as I did in Mexico).

There's also the reality that with the app launch being a complete joke I didn't have much faith in it. I've also found in Kos that going into bars and restaurants, when they do check, it's usually easier with paper than using the app.

 

Yip, same here.

I find it much easier to have all my required documents printed off and kept in a pocket in my laptop bag which can just be flashed / handed over when required as opposed to buggering about with a phone trying to locate different documents / apps and then enlarge them for the punter to check.

I suppose some of the younger ones might have been brought up knowing nothing else but technology on their phones and maybe don't have access to a printer either ? but irrespective it's just what works best for you, the individual, and we really shouldn't be getting angry or mocking others who feel it's easier to do it another way as ultimately it's their own choice whether paper / app or both and doesn't affect anyone else.

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While we're on this subject, what about all the pensioners who rarely have a smart phone between them ?

It's paper or nothing for those people and given that they represent the vast majority of winter travellers, then I think paper documents are here to stay for a long time yet !!!

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38 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

I think some people here would be shocked to learn that a significant number of people at Manchester Airport were using paper documents - boarding passes, vaccination certificates and Passenger Locator Forms.

Nobody would be shocked by any of that. Paper copies of their passport, however, would be a different story.

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3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Nobody would be shocked by any of that. Paper copies of their passport, however, would be a different story.

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In 2014, 20,612 UK passports were reported as lost or stolen around the world last year and 39,053 emergency travel documents (ETDs) were also issued overseas.

The FCO’s five top tips for looking after your passport are:

Value your passport and look after it carefully. A damaged passport cannot be used for travel
Your passport is not always safer on you (e.g. lock your passport in a safe if you have access to one), unless the local law requires you to keep it with you.
Make two photocopies of your passport – leave one with friends or family and take the second with you, or store it online using a secure data storage site
Use this photocopy as alternative ID, for example when going out at night
Make sure your passport is valid. For certain countries your passport must be valid for 6 months after the date you travel – check the entry requirements before you go

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/passports-where-do-you-keep-yours

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38 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

While we're on this subject, what about all the pensioners who rarely have a smart phone between them ?

It's paper or nothing for those people and given that they represent the vast majority of winter travellers, then I think paper documents are here to stay for a long time yet !!!

Government should be supplying a driving license size effort with the QR code on it IMO, for anyone who doesn’t want to / can’t use the app or wants a contingency that’s not a scrunched up A4 sheet of paper.

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It's also terrible advice to use a paper passport copy as a means of ID on a night out. No place is accepting photocopies of ID to let you in. It's literally only useful for knowing your passport number after it's lost/stolen and even that isn't required for getting a new one. 

 

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