Stellaboz Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Elixir said: Willie's Tache doing his best for the 'contracting a winter bug is a moral outrage' crusade. Tragic. Being exposed to respiratory illness is quite literally just another fact of the human experience. It's something you can't avoid, and indeed, keeping immune responses topped up is rather important. Some people have been truly broken by these past two years. No hope for a recovery for them. Some people are an utter fucking mess. One of my wife's colleagues for one hasn't been on a train in a little over 2 years now because of this, and has been mooching a lift of a friend to get anywhere of distance. Another is my father in law and his missus who have now refused to see any family over Christmas because apparently she has a low antibody count. Then on the flip side, you've got nutters running around talking about some fucking conspiracy because a few people have recently had public cardiac arrests. News flash, that happens more often than you fucking know it just wasn't reported previously! Saw someone on my FB the other day saying that they didn't have vaccines as a child and they refuse to start now. No wonder he's turned into a gibbering fucking fool with as much brains as a baked potatoe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, Meldrew said: f**k the self employed Quite. Support your local independent sex workers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: To all on this debate, i have a story Back when i was a single man, i went on a tinder date and subsequently spent the night with a nurse who worked in intensive care, now I’m sure we don’t need to get into too many details but the main point of it all is; I was absolutely loaded with cold/ flu symptoms that day, which I informed her of and gave her the chance to KB me, she couldn’t have gave less of a shite, as did anybody else before all this hysterical pish last year Go to the fuckin fitbaw if your well enough If you’re going to come on here and tell us you scored a date with a nurse - we want, we deserve, we demand the details. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: Some people are an utter fucking mess. One of my wife's colleagues for one hasn't been on a train in a little over 2 years now because of this, and has been mooching a lift of a friend to get anywhere of distance. Another is my father in law and his missus who have now refused to see any family over Christmas because apparently she has a low antibody count. Then on the flip side, you've got nutters running around talking about some fucking conspiracy because a few people have recently had public cardiac arrests. News flash, that happens more often than you fucking know it just wasn't reported previously! Saw someone on my FB the other day saying that they didn't have vaccines as a child and they refuse to start now. No wonder he's turned into a gibbering fucking fool with as much brains as a baked potatoe. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Caledonian1 said: Alright, spell check got me there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 A lot of folk will be scared, cautious, concerned, worried, however you want to word it. Just as an example though, a mate of mine displayed all the worried, scared, concerned traits - not because of himself, but because one of his parents has cancer, both his parents are elderly. He was scared of maybe getting it and passing it on to them in the course of normal family life, and if they got it, it wouldn’t have likely just been the sniffles and a cough for a few days. A lot of elderly folk will read the news, and talk about ‘deadly new African variant’ and suchlike could scare them shitless. I pass no judgement on those displaying ‘scared or ultra cautious’ behaviour. They could be in the same situation as my mate. My problem though is that anyone, absolutely anyone - genuinely worried or just a fcuking twat about it, can stay indoors, can wear a mask 24/7, can avoid trains, crowds, concerts or whatever, for eternity. If they choose. The rest of us though, by now, should not be subject to many of these government mandated laws and rules, many of which make as much sense as Jim Goodwin persisting with playing three at the back. We should be free to make personal risk assessments about where we go, when, and why. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 If you’re going to come on here and tell us you scored a date with a nurse - we want, we deserve, we demand the details. [emoji12]She was a Scottish nurse, she may have been partial to a wee quality street or 2 .We just don’t know 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Alcohol specific deaths sharply up during 2020, I wonder if lockdown has had a significant impact https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/alcoholrelateddeathsintheunitedkingdom/registeredin2020#alcohol-specific-deaths-by-uk-constituent-country 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, williemillersmoustache said: No, I'm saying you shouldn't need restrictions and rules to say don't go to a public event if you're not well and symptomatic. Same with going into the office and soldiering on if you've got the lurgy. People will hopefully grow out of that on their own. Put it this way, if you sit down next to mecoughing your balls up at the football, i'll move. If it's sold out (unlikely for Aberdeen right enough) and I can't move I'll do my best to get you moved. Folk want to be treated like adults and respected to use their common sense. Not going to the football when you are ill is that. I honestly don't see the issue here. Ffs! "Mr steward, there's a bad man coughing next to me, can you throw him out?" Have a word man, your head is fucking gone 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Alcohol specific deaths sharply up during 2020, I wonder if lockdown has had a significant impact https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/causesofdeath/bulletins/alcoholrelateddeathsintheunitedkingdom/registeredin2020#alcohol-specific-deaths-by-uk-constituent-country Very interesting. Especially in tandem with the SG proclaiming the success of minimum unit pricing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Very interesting. Especially in tandem with the SG proclaiming the success of minimum unit pricing. Aye very dangerous bevvying on a tandem Edited December 7, 2021 by superbigal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, superbigal said: Aye very dangerous on a tandem It does raise a question, though. If, indeed, people are buying less alcohol because of MUP, why are more dying? Are they buying more from online distribution channels and these are not counted accurately? Did shutting down access to help to "save lives" have an impact? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) It's obviously very hard to separate out what causes what. Also, I don't think anyone is suggesting that a significant number of people were perfectly healthy in terms of alcohol pre-pandemic but then literally drank themselves to death during the lockdown. There might be cases where that happened but they aren't going to account for anything in the overall picture. Most of the deaths are from alcoholic liver disease which, I assume, takes a significant amount of drinking time to build up. The biggest number of deaths are among people from the 55-64 age group suggesting that it's the result of decades worth of bevvying. I'm sure it's possible people who were drinking at high levels and were at risk pre-pandemic started drinking a lot more during lockdown and that accelerated their decline. Edited December 7, 2021 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, ICTChris said: It's obviously very hard to separate out what causes what. Also, I don't think anyone is suggesting that a significant number of people were perfectly healthy in terms of alcohol pre-pandemic but then literally drank themselves to death during the lockdown. There might be cases where that happened but they aren't going to account for anything in the overall picture. No, but there will be those who were part of support groups etc who suddenly had that taken away from them whilst simultaneously being isolated, confined to their homes, and worrying about their jobs. It's been well documented, but the mid to long term impact of our response to Covid will be huge. Many people will die who, with access to the correct help, would not have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: It does raise a question, though. If, indeed, people are buying less alcohol because of MUP, why are more dying? Are they buying more from online distribution channels and these are not counted accurately? Did shutting down access to help to "save lives" have an impact? Fewer people are buying any alcohol but drinkers are drinking as much or more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: So in other words, you haven't even considered when this should end. That's probably because you're waiting on Nicola to tell you what to think. Well it's a comforting fiction to say it will be all over by Christmas or some other magical date but that would be dishonest. Which is no doubt why you feel so drawn to the idea of populist and arbitrary lines in the sand. Maybe if you washed your hands, wore your mask and generally did as you were told it will be over a bit sooner? Try a bit of that in between your rants about hand sanitiser and Hitler. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: Fewer people are buying any alcohol but drinkers are drinking as much or more. I find that unlikely to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: I find that unlikely to be honest. There are increasing numbers of adults who don't drink because of religion, increasing numbers of young people who don't socialise at all and more and more people who are very focussed on health and fitness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Just now, oaksoft said: For the umpeenmth time, nobody asked you for a date. You have been asked for a set of circumstances under which you personally would want to see all restrictions removed. You have no answer becvause you haven't thought it through. I think you will find I did and that I have. But that doesn't give you the cozy feeling of it will all be over soon so you wail like a massive wean. Not so long ago Boris was being praised for removing all restrictions in the summer because doing so in winter would be mad. And yet here we are demanding all restrictions be removed in winter. Some discrepancies there methinks, perhaps you should have thought this through a bit more? Also, how about St Swithens Day? That's a nice sounding day. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Back from my booster appointment now. Showed up at Falkirk hospital a full 10 minutes before my appointment, just in time to join a big fucking queue. Waited for 40 minutes. Everyone in the queue had booked an appointment, so this is a failure of their booking system more than anything else. The wife was taken by a soldier (fnarr fnarr) and I was taken by a dentist. All pfizered up. On the up side, I saw a police car chase down and stop an Audi in the middle of the town. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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