Zetterlund Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Most people would be fine with voluntary annual boosters for the vulnerable, but they can GTF with mandatory boosters for everyone under threat of house arrest, termination of employment and fines. Which of the two scenarios seems most likely at the moment? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Detournement said: He means everyone. Basically the current situation every year. Got to be honest, I take a flu jab every year so im happy taking another vaccine which will hopefully stop me feeling like shit for a couple of weeks. Dont really see the issue here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Elixir said: Significant numbers on all sides of the discussion on covid are only in it for the money. There are also large number who love the ego boost that comes with being known names as a result of whatever the f**k they are doing. Edited December 2, 2021 by Ross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: 48 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 63 one month ago) 680 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 939 one month ago) Lowest numbers since early September (ICU dipped briefly below 50 in mid-October) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Clearly, with cases staganting, and hospital numbers dropping, the boosters among the the vulnerable are hosing this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 There's yer Germans also excluding people from non-essential society if you haven't been vaccinated or recently recovered. "Culture and leisure nationwide will be open only to those who have been vaccinated or recovered," Merkel says 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: There's yer Germans also excluding people from non-essential society if you haven't been vaccinated or recently recovered. "Culture and leisure nationwide will be open only to those who have been vaccinated or recovered," Merkel says They are clearly doing it to drive up vaccination rates but this is a terrible way to do so. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 The government owning up to large numbers of people presenting with myocarditis and pericarditis post vaccination. Will the media cover it? The link above says that in 2017 the estimated number of cases of myocarditis in the UK were roughly 2000 total. The Pfizer vaccination has resulted in a case of myocarditis in 1 per 100,000 doses. Moderna 3.6 per 100,000. This is only with 10 days of vaccination and there is no data provided to identify at risk age groups. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTee Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ginaro said: Lowest numbers since early September (ICU dipped briefly below 50 in mid-October) Winter pressure slowly being relieved a bit? Media now - Christmas saved/Normal Christmas/Can't be too complacent/Omicron vaccine evasion etc or something 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ross. said: Significant numbers on all sides of the discussion on covid are only in it for the money. There are also large number who love the ego boost that comes with being known names as a result of whatever the f**k they are doing. It's also given handy cover for all sorts of organisations (public and private) to scale back services or user privileges because the big, bad pandemic made us do it. See Scotrail's alcohol ban. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Just now, GTee said: Winter pressure slowly being relieved a bit? Media now - Christmas saved/Normal Christmas/Can't be too complacent/Omicron vaccine evasion etc or something The media seem to be all over the weekly Number 10 parties, will be scenes if Laura K went along to a few and didn't feel the need to report the fact the Covid rules were being broken whilst £10k fines were being dished out to students. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Just now, GTee said: Winter pressure slowly being relieved a bit? Media now - Christmas saved/Normal Christmas/Can't be too complacent/Omicron vaccine evasion etc or something Some medics have already started shifting the goalposts to 'the pressure of administering extra vaccines'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, virginton said: Some medics have already started shifting the goalposts to 'the pressure of administering extra vaccines'. Heard that one this morning. Some bedwetter on Radio Scotland saying the NHS will be under immense pressure to meet the January target as many people who were doing the vaccines earlier in the year have gone back to their other work. Convenient excuse to stop non emergency procedures again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, Detournement said: The government owning up to large numbers of people presenting with myocarditis and pericarditis post vaccination. Will the media cover it? The link above says that in 2017 the estimated number of cases of myocarditis in the UK were roughly 2000 total. The Pfizer vaccination has resulted in a case of myocarditis in 1 per 100,000 doses. Moderna 3.6 per 100,000. This is only with 10 days of vaccination and there is no data provided to identify at risk age groups. Why do you give the per capita rates crossed with the total number rather than keeping both in the same format to allow means for comparison? Quote Myocarditis and pericarditis are both inflammatory conditions of the heart. The incidence of myocarditis is difficult to ascertain as most cases are mild and are often not well investigated. In one study from the UK, it was estimated that between 1998 and 2017, there were 36.5 per 100,000 NHS admissions with myocarditis, with the numbers increasing each year since 2004. In 2017, it was estimated that there were about 2,000 hospital admissions for myocarditis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Abdul_Latif said: Convenient excuse to stop non emergency procedures again. Easy answer is to increase spending on the NHS, rather than creating longer term problems by kicking the can down the road on all the things that have been and will be cancelled. It's almost like the approach they are taking is designed to garner criticism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ross. said: Why do you give the per capita rates crossed with the total number rather than keeping both in the same format to allow means for comparison? "Large numbers" was a curious choice of words too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Ross. said: Easy answer is to increase spending on the NHS, rather than creating longer term problems by kicking the can down the road on all the things that have been and will be cancelled. It's almost like the approach they are taking is designed to garner criticism. That isn't an easy answer though. Can't magic up trained staff out of thin air. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Wonder where this places Adolf in the league table now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 56 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: 3,002 new cases of COVID-19 reported 42,819 new tests for COVID-19 that reported results 7.4% of these were positive 27 new reported deaths of people who have tested positive 48 people were in intensive care yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 63 one month ago) 680 people were in hospital yesterday with recently confirmed COVID-19 (was 939 one month ago) 4,349,058 people have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccination, 3,953,170 have received their second dose, and 1,755,694 have received a third dose or booster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: That isn't an easy answer though. Can't magic up trained staff out of thin air. How many has the NHS lost as a result of Brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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