Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Detournement]

Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland have banned Moderna for u30s.

Javid making clear exactly how much choice we have going forward regarding achieving 'fully vaccinated' status and playing the NHS card like a sledgehammer. 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Detournement

[Gaz]

52 minutes ago, Detournement said:

 

That surely has to be a fake.

*checks Twitter*

No, absolutely not a fake. JFC.

[Michael W]

2 hours ago, Hard Graft said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59289707

Swinney tells us that people in Scotland can have a "normal Christmas" with some Covid measures.  He says the extension of the vaccine passport scheme and other mitigations will help people live normally

In the meantime an outbreak of positive tests at a Primary school in the Falkirk area has caused at least 1 class to study from home.

 

Remember that the bald fraud was telling us vaccine passports didn't work just over a week ago, now they're going to help people live normally and save Christmas. 

Meanwhile, the number of cases (since this remains a concern of the Scottish Government) has remained pretty flat. In the meantime, let's demand the heavily-vaccinated adult population have to show their QR code or piece of paper to enter indoor venues whilst thousands of unvaccinated school children are put in confined spaces together five days a week. Remain bewildered as to why the number of cases in the under 20s remains very high, especially in those under 14. But, above all, be sure to use these cases in children to bash the adult population as the unvaccinated must be punished even though they are a very small minority.

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

10 hours ago, oaksoft said:

This is why I just don't implicitly trust any of the "f**k the Tories" types.

Underneath they are exactly the same scum as the very Tories they attack.

I am happy to argue the toss with anyone over any issue but I will never, ever understand the mindset of actively getting joy out of someone else's hardship or struggle.

And then for these same people to use phrases like "I'm alright Jack" against others? They can frankly go f**k themselves with that level of sanctimonious shite.

They are plastic lefties. I honestly don't know who they think they are kidding. They are certainly deluding themselves.

And yes, @Wee Bully@welshbairn@williemillersmoustache@Bob Mahelp and @Robin.HoodI'm talking to all of you. You're in good company folks. There's a fair number of you on here. You lot immediately spring to mind as being particularly unpleasant examples of the exact sort of person I spend my whole life trying to stay away from. I'm missing someone else here but their username escapes me for now.

Life's vaccuums. Poison. Absolute poison.

That's what they are.

Deary me. What a rabid, shambling mess of a poster you are. Calling people 'poison' simply because someone questions your point of view on an internet forum .

You, and yer fanatical, moonhowling mates have completely jumped the shark. You're literally frothing at the mouth about something that you can do absolutely f**k ALL about. 

You sound ill. If I was you bud, I'd step away from the keyboard (and from tyhe drink) for a few days, try and calm down, and try and realise what's important. 

Because seriously, you sound like you're heading for a breakdown. 

 

[ICTChris]

10 hours ago, oaksoft said:

 

Life's vaccuums. Poison. Absolute poison.

That's what they are.

YOU'RE POISON

POISON POSTING ON MY THREAD

Edited November 17, 2021 by ICTChris

[welshbairn]

10 hours ago, oaksoft said:

This is why I just don't implicitly trust any of the "f**k the Tories" types.

Underneath they are exactly the same scum as the very Tories they attack.

I am happy to argue the toss with anyone over any issue but I will never, ever understand the mindset of actively getting joy out of someone else's hardship or struggle.

And then for these same people to use phrases like "I'm alright Jack" against others? They can frankly go f**k themselves with that level of sanctimonious shite.

They are plastic lefties. I honestly don't know who they think they are kidding. They are certainly deluding themselves.

And yes, @Wee Bully@welshbairn@williemillersmoustache@Bob Mahelp and @Robin.HoodI'm talking to all of you. You're in good company folks. There's a fair number of you on here. You lot immediately spring to mind as being particularly unpleasant examples of the exact sort of person I spend my whole life trying to stay away from. I'm missing someone else here but their username escapes me for now.

Life's vaccuums. Poison. Absolute poison.

That's what they are.

If that's what you come out with sober I really think you should get back on the drink.

[Rob1885]

Deary me. What a rabid, shambling mess of a poster you are. Calling people 'poison' simply because someone questions your point of view on an internet forum .
You, and yer fanatical, moonhowling mates have completely jumped the shark. You're literally frothing at the mouth about something that you can do absolutely f**k ALL about. 
You sound ill. If I was you bud, I'd step away from the keyboard (and from tyhe drink) for a few days, try and calm down, and try and realise what's important. 
Because seriously, you sound like you're heading for a breakdown. 
 

Not big or clever this tbh.

[GTee]

2 hours ago, Hard Graft said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59289707

Swinney tells us that people in Scotland can have a "normal Christmas" with some Covid measures.  He says the extension of the vaccine passport scheme and other mitigations will help people live normally

In the meantime an outbreak of positive tests at a Primary school in the Falkirk area has caused at least 1 class to study from home.

 

He told BBC Radio Scotland's Drivetime the Scottish government was trying to manage Covid to a level that "enables most of our economy and society to function as close to normality" as possible.

The government has updated its "strategic framework" paper with plans for the winter period ahead, with warnings that the country "risks moving potentially rapidly" into a challenging situation should a new variant of the virus emerge.

Maybe he could outline what the manageable level is. Is this the number of daily cases, people in hospital/ICU, admissions to hospital. Doesn't have to be exact figures, but this approach may get more support/buy in for passports for example. I know they haven't got a crystal ball regarding other things, which affect the NHS at winter, but some rough idea.

How about something a bit more definitive. 'If the number of cases begin to rise, such that the number of people in hospital increases by around 20% between now and December 6th, we will do this, this and this. Because we anticipate that would be a point where the NHS would still cope. Meanwhile we will look at ways how we can increase the ability for the NHS to treat more people over the winter'.

If people could see these numbers getting to a particular level there may be an acceptance for certain measures, even though their effectiveness is debatable. Maybe this is too simplistic, but it's all very vague.

Also, understand preparing for the worst case scenario, but that second paragraph depresses me. We need more positivity about the current vaccine roll out and its effectiveness. Everything seems negative - the news generally is though. 

 

[Marshmallo]

21 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

You sound ill. If I was you bud, I'd step away from the keyboard (and from tyhe drink) for a few days, try and calm down, and try and realise what's important. 

Because seriously, you sound like you're heading for a breakdown. 

 

This isn't on surely?

[Les Cabbage]

 

[ICTChris]

It's the vaccine!

[Abdul_Latif]

38 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

It's the vaccine!

10/10 for the Vito ref.

[MrWorldwideJr]

13 hours ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

There's no better example of how polarised and dogged public political support has become over the past few years than how people react to things in this thread. When I went to my first gig in two years last week I had to use my vaccine passport to get in and I was told to wear a mask the whole time I was inside. It seemed like much of the audience did although I physically couldn't - I would have been whiteying everywhere if I hadn't. 

I don't think masks make any meaningful difference to anything. I think the contexts in which we're supposed to wear them are contradictory and self-defeating. The idea of having to wear them in a crowded indoor space for a few hours at a time is ludicrous to me. If someone thinks they make a difference and wants to wear one, fine. Go ahead.

I don't think vaccine passports are an appropriate measure for a democratic country to introduce. Aside from the issues with eligibility when the scheme was launched for people who hadn't had two vaccines, aside from them requiring various other objects to acquire one, aside from the increasingly large age ranges being prompted for a third vaccination and the inherent point that apparently within three months my passport is going to show that I'm not really protected against anything, the very notion of them is insidious. Why should we willingly have to show state-issued papers to go anywhere? How easy is it for the state to track the movements and habits of the entire adult population? I can use it, and I will, but as I've posted before I'm not going to vote again for any party/individual responsible for their existence. 

And yet, it's impossible to try and put this point across. Everyone on this thread who complains about restrictions and excessive caution is extremely pro-vaccine. They're extremely eager to be as free from Covid as they can be, and for everyone else to be too. They think there is a level of caution which goes beyond that and becomes restrictive, and are frustrated there isn't any suggestion of it ever mentioned by... anyone, as far as I can tell. The press certainly doesn't and if they're not holding the politicians to account then nobody is.

The problem comes with trying to separate that. Nobody can. I've said what I think about vaccine passports. Yet when I went to that gig there were some gimps outside with a big banner about vaccine passports on it. I didn't look at them for long but I saw "Bill Gates" on it and knew immediately that they weren't worth interacting with. Yet, to the Welshbairns and the moustaches of this world, I'm a petulant child and a complete moron because everyone who doesn't think the way they do is wrong.

The worst part about the sanctimonious p***ks on this thread who take great delight in laughing at people who've done all they can and get made to do more isn't that the polls suggest they exist in some sort of majority approval of things the Scottish government does, it's that they're completely unable to see the shite they post in here is exactly what they accuse the people they disagree with of doing. 

This is a really good post and the final two paragraphs have really been proven out in the last 12 hours.

Multiple replies from the 'sensible heads' of the thread, some of them really not a good look at all, to Oaksoft's posts and yet no replies engaging with the content of this one, presumably because it can't simply be dismissed with ' moonhowler'.

There's are a lot of references around the forum to how much of an unreadable mess this thread is now, with the implication tending to be that that is down to 'the main players', and don't get me wrong some of the stuff that is posted is wild. But there are a fair few posters on the other side of the argument who bring a lot of nastiness and superiority whilst providing precious little willingness to actually engage in discussion around issues which very clearly aren't black and white.

[superbigal]

Belgium discussing today that it is unfair to single out healthcare staff who are unvaccinated potentially being fired from April.

That and avoiding the issues now surfacing in Austria.

The likely solution to this is rather hard hitting.

They may well just make the vaccination mandatory to everyone over 18.

 

[Todd_is_God]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scots-could-need-to-show-negative-test-as-well-as-vaccine-passport?top

"he told BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme it was also possible that people could be required to show both a vaccination certificate and a negative Covid test for some “high-risk locations”."

Get these wankers in the bin.

[Aubrey Maturin]

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scots-could-need-to-show-negative-test-as-well-as-vaccine-passport?top

"he told BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme it was also possible that people could be required to show both a vaccination certificate and a negative Covid test for some “high-risk locations”."

Get these wankers in the bin.

 

2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

https://news.stv.tv/politics/scots-could-need-to-show-negative-test-as-well-as-vaccine-passport?top

"he told BBC Radio Scotland’s Good Morning Scotland programme it was also possible that people could be required to show both a vaccination certificate and a negative Covid test for some “high-risk locations”."

Get these wankers in the bin.

These charlatans are beyond parody now as they continue to misuse emergency powers to micro manage people lifes whilst continuing to destroy parts of the economy.

Unbelievable but it will get put through without even a whimper.

 

 

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said:

You, and yer fanatical, moonhowling mates have completely jumped the shark. You're literally frothing at the mouth about something that you can do absolutely f**k ALL about. 

Can you really not see the problem with this?

[pozbaird]

2 hours ago, Les Cabbage said:

 

That happens to me every time Thommo’ is on Sportscene. Nothing to do with vaccines.

[Elixir]

15 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Dumped the Danes already then. How fickle.

Let's just say that at least the Danes had more baws than us in wanting people to be able to go about life normally. Maybe one day the Holyrood diddy cartel will grow up too.

 

4 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

For me, Scotlands divergence from England is quite simply a case of Sturgeon et al refusing to allow it to become effectively the govt stance that they no longer give a f**k about case numbers. Firstly because they cant square it with their "care more" mantra, and secondly because, and this is my opinion, they think the scum cant be trusted and need to be nannied.

And also the image that it projects of Scotland being different to England/the UK.

[Elixir]

An utterly shameless, detestable individual. 

As a side note, Bob Needshelp has a cheek going off on one about others hitting the bevvy.