effeffsee_the2nd Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, PWL said: I had my Covid passport checked at the rugby yesterday. They were also charging a fiver for a can of Tennents in the stadium. I know which upset me more. bullshit! when the f**k did rugby fans start drinking tennents? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 hours ago, virginton said: If there were numerous examples then why did the BBC feel compelled to only tell the story of obese, puffing mess '30 year olds' (looked about 55) who beached themselves near a hospital ward, in order to convince everyone to get vaccinated back in the spring? They clearly missed all the best exhibits for their case! The reality is that Covid did not pose a statistically significant threat to healthy adults to begin with: that insignificant risk was just completely nullified by vaccination. The reason why restrictions were put in place is because the UK is a country of puffing, boomer fatties, who overload the health service just as they would the port side of a Channel ferry. The only rational reason for the entire healthy adult population of a country to get vaccinated for any such illness is to significantly reduce community transmission. Which unfortunately has not turned out to be the case, so when it comes to getting boosters, there is no credible argument for issuing them beyond a handful of vulnerable groups. A healthy 35 year old with two doses of a vaccine already really does not need another shot to see them through 2021-22. Send it to Kenya instead. I agree with all of this, particularly the last paragraph. My only point was that Detournement’s anti-vax ‘they offer nothing to young people’ statement is quite blatantly false. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 22 hours ago, welshbairn said: It was supposed to be outrageous simpery for me to suggest that the reason Denmark dropped their restrictions was because their case rate was below 50/100,000, and it was daft using it as a model for us with a rate at the time from the mid to high hundreds. So I'm hardly surprised that they've reintroduced restrictions as their rates climb back up. It's not that I'm for the restrictions, they seem futile especially with vaccination at near saturation, but it's boring to hear we should copy every heroic country when they drop restrictions at the the trough of their cycle, before pilling them back on again as soon as they spike back up. Exactly this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 The main issue faced with the delta variant is that it has a significantly higher R0 value than the original strain. That means having a significant percentage of fringe nutters and/or selfish I'm alright Jack types around who won't take the vaccine is more likely to make a difference on whether herd immunity can be achieved than would have been the case previously. Denmark appear to have thought they had got there when they actually hadn't so time to apply some pressure on the unvaccinated again to think of the collective good and do the decent thing basically. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardy Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 The main issue faced with the delta variant is that it has a significantly higher R0 value than the original strain. That means having a significant percentage of fringe nutters and/or selfish I'm alright Jack types around who won't take the vaccine is more likely to make a difference on whether herd immunity can be achieved than would have been the case previously. Denmark appear to have thought they had got there when they actually hadn't so time to apply some pressure on the unvaccinated again to think of the collective good and do the decent thing basically. I would suggest the biggest issue is not the Ro rather the number of ICU cases.There are about 15% of UK ICU beds taken up with covid. That is fvcked. To have that many occupied due to a single infectious agent is ridiculous. It's unmanageable.When you consider a 'vented' COVID patient spends on average 20 days in ICU (compared to 1-2 for straight forward open heart surgery) this highlights the burden of disease. COVID has essentially burnt out now in the UK however it's lingering effect on healthcare is very concerning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 bullshit! when the f**k did rugby fans start drinking tennents?Glorious isn't it. My FIL refuses the fine Tennents when visiting us preferring some Innes and Gunn muck but at the rugby he has no choice. Its the little things that matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 hours ago, PWL said: I had my Covid passport checked at the rugby yesterday. They were also charging a fiver for a can of Tennents in the stadium. I know which upset me more. Had a night out yesterday for the first time since the pandemic started and took around half an hour to get into a club due to checking vaccine passorts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Elixir said: I really can't see it, for the above reasons and media reports. Also, some folk have mentioned talk of the Scottish Government bringing in lockdown measures again - even 'lockdown lite' - but the simple reality is they can't. That's a fact. All they can do is imagine up more theatre. I'd like to think not, but there will come a time when an appeasement measure is necessary, probably with a message tied along that this is necessary to save Christmas/'are wonderful NHS'. The Johnson government could also do with a right good distraction about now. Covid restrictions are bewilderingly popular; government dipping in the trough not so much. The second part is the interesting one. It is not possible without causing possibly catastrophic damage. On that note, anyone know what the Netherlands has done? Given restrictions will hit businesses substantially by reducing their hours and in some cases forcing closures, it seems unlikely they are just telling them to deal with it. Edited November 14, 2021 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Michael W said: I'd like to think not, but there will come a time when an appeasement measure is necessary, probably with a message tied along that thus is necessary to save Christmas/'are wonderful NHS'. The Johnson government could also do with a right good distraction about now. Covid restrictions are bewilderingly popular; government dipping in the trough not so much. The second part is the interesting one. It is not possible without causing possibly catastrophic damage. On that note, anyone know what the Netherlands has done? Given restrictions will hit businesses substantially by reducing their hours and in some cases forcing closures, it seems unlikely they are just telling them to deal with it. The English appeasement measures will be masks and possibly passports. Low-ish cost, wiggle room they left to appease without incurring a monster furlough bill. Christ only knows what we will try up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 14, 2021 Author Share Posted November 14, 2021 Unvaccinated lockdown coming into force in Austria from midnight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: The English appeasement measures will be masks and possibly passports. Low-ish cost, wiggle room they left to appease without incurring a monster furlough bill. Christ only knows what we will try up here. Initially, but the pressure for harder measures will start again when it's apparent these measures don't work. Which Germany has already demonstrated. The lack of these in Engkand at the moment simply buys time. Whether it's enough to ride out the winter without Dutch-style lockdowns or not, we'll see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: The English appeasement measures will be masks and possibly passports. Low-ish cost, wiggle room they left to appease without incurring a monster furlough bill. Christ only knows what we will try up here. The last 2 days have seen an almost complete halt to week on week rises, and there is the earliest of inficators that specimen date cases are levelling off. Tuesday is absolutely perfect timing for introducing some extra nonsense like expanding the use of vaccine passports if you want to create the illusion they work... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Michael W said: Initially, but the pressure for harder measures will start again when it's apparent these measures don't work. Which Germany has already demonstrated. The lack of these in Engkand at the moment simply buys time. Whether it's enough to ride out the winter without Dutch-style lockdowns or not, we'll see. I'm unconvinced tbh. I'm not some rebel, I followed the rules first time as strictly as the majority (i'm sure there were extremes at both ends, I would have been in the pack) but I have said, and I do mean it, that in terms of covid, as I and all eligible members of my family are double vaccinated, I wont be stopping people coming to my house or visiting others who are of a similar mind. Tbh, its not that often folk are in our house, so in all honesty, bans on various types of socialising would directly lead to an increase in household socialising for me. And, if they shut the schools, I would make an effort to let the kids have their pals round rather than meeting up at parks or soft plays etc. Before any of the restriction fetishists steam in with the predictable shite, i'm not saying this to try and act the big man, i'm just not prepared to sacrafice any more of my life to this, basically i'm saying it because I imagine there will be thousands if not millions of a very similar mindset. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Pagel and Gurdasani types regularly inform us that China continue to take Covid very seriously! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 The names on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maicoman Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Daughter works for Tesco She has just showed me the Tesco Christmas advert #BoycottTesco trending on twitter over the fact Santa has a Covid Passport 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 First Sturgeon at COP26 and now the Chinless Wonder doing bits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 11 hours ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: bullshit! when the f**k did rugby fans start drinking tennents? Since it was the only option at Murrayfield. it was pointed out to me yesterday there are signs around the stadium saying facemasks (indoor use) have to be either surgical grade or triple layer cloth. I assume those signs are a hangover from the early test events. Not that anyone was wearing them or testing the adequacy of the face masks that weren’t being worn in the bogs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, maicoman said: Daughter works for Tesco She has just showed me the Tesco Christmas advert #BoycottTesco trending on twitter over the fact Santa has a Covid Passport I'm not one of the ones saying boycott Tesco, but under no circumstances should things like covid passes be normalised. They are far away from being normal. Using them in a Christmas advert, or any advert for that matter doesnt sit right with me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Reckon the implication that you're going on the naughty list if you don't get your jabs is pretty much spot on for the anti-vax, anti-certification and almost certainly still believes in Santa demographic. Genius. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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