Elixir Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Left Back said: Everyone is required by law to have health insurance. There's a government run scheme and also supplemental private schemes. No idea how much they cost per month but I'm pretty sure you then don't pay anything at point of use. I did read somewhere (admittedly this was a while ago) that they don't bother measuring waiting lists as they're so short as to be inconsequential. The fact the NHS has become seen as sacrosanct doesn't help matters when there are any suggestions of modernisation along the lines seen in i.e. Germany. 'The envy of the world!' Do these places envy the NHS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 With this talk of the German health service it is a good excuse to use the word Krankenhaus. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/02/nhs-needs-10bn-annual-boost-to-tackle-backlog-and-covid-cost "NHS frontline representatives warn we need a minimum of £10bn" That's from September and took me 10 seconds to find. I think you see what you want to see with this stuff. That's NHS England is it not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Moonster said: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/02/nhs-needs-10bn-annual-boost-to-tackle-backlog-and-covid-cost "NHS frontline representatives warn we need a minimum of £10bn" That's from September and took me 10 seconds to find. I think you see what you want to see with this stuff. 'You're kidding yourself on' if you think this is given the same level of publicity as the pandemic public health celebrities who are in the media daily/weekly telling us what the public has to stop doing in order to protect the NHS. The Guardian has probably been the very worst culprit of this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Have some faith in Magic said: With this talk of the German health service it is a good excuse to use the word Krankenhaus. Krankenschwester and Krankenwagen another two topical favourites. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Elixir said: Do many in the NHS want the public to loathe it? Truly fantastic communications from our 'heroes'! That, to me, tells me that I want a private service. This is a consumer based society and, if an organisation can’t provide what the customer wants, then it doesn’t deserve to. Be supported. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Left Back said: Everyone is required by law to have health insurance. There's a government run scheme and also supplemental private schemes. No idea how much they cost per month but I'm pretty sure you then don't pay anything at point of use. I did read somewhere (admittedly this was a while ago) that they don't bother measuring waiting lists as they're so short as to be inconsequential. Germans actually pay potentially quite a lot (dependent on salary) to be in the government run scheme that most citizens are members of. I could imagine the outcry if that was proposed here. https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/healthinsurance.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: That's NHS England is it not? I'm not wasting another 10 seconds looking for a Scottish version of the same chat. It's an example of prominent NHS staff calling for the very things Elixir was talking about. If you want to find Scottish people asking for it look for it yourself. 2 minutes ago, Elixir said: 'You're kidding yourself on' if you think this is given the same level of publicity as the pandemic public health celebrities who are in the media daily/weekly telling us what the public has to stop doing in order to protect the NHS. The Guardian has probably been the very worst culprit of this. Yes, prominent NHS figures have complete control over the editorial process of the Guardian and other newspapers. Jeezo man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, Left Back said: Everyone is required by law to have health insurance. There's a government run scheme and also supplemental private schemes. No idea how much they cost per month but I'm pretty sure you then don't pay anything at point of use. I did read somewhere (admittedly this was a while ago) that they don't bother measuring waiting lists as they're so short as to be inconsequential. Off the back of this, I found this Costs of Health Insurance in Germany | Public and Private Insurance (expatrio.com) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 29 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The NHS can't be sorted without massively rethinking social care for the elderly, either families taking far more responsibility or a big increase in taxes and properties sold to pay for it rather than being inherited. And reversing restrictions on EU immigration to staff it. Taxes are far too low to fund what we need at the moment, nevermind the socialist utopia that Scots seem to want post Indy. You want better services like the Nordics, you better be willing to pay for them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: Germans actually pay potentially quite a lot (dependent on salary) to be in the government run scheme that most citizens are members of. I could imagine the outcry if that was proposed here. https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/healthinsurance.html As I said earlier, we are very good at wanting better, but completely against paying for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, oaksoft said: Sorry, I'm not buying that at all. The service has collapsed overnight. This has to do with staff shortages due to staff isolating because we are testing and pinging everything with a pulse. Not saying there aren't genuine long term shortages but this specific problem is one which has been created overnight. Long term shortages + short term crisis = the complete cluster f**k we have now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Abdul_Latif said: Taxes are far too low to fund what we need at the moment, nevermind the socialist utopia that Scots seem to want post Indy. You want better services like the Nordics, you better be willing to pay for them. The average salary in Norway is just shy of £53k. In the UK it is £31.5k A highly paid, highly taxed society, with excellent low cost at point of use public services like transport and healthcare is infinitely more desirable than the current UK model of low pay, not fit for purpose public services and high cost public transport. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul_Latif Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The average salary in Norway is just shy of £53k. In the UK it is £31.5k A highly paid, highly taxed society, with excellent low cost at point of use public services like transport and healthcare is infinitely more desirable than the current UK model of low pay, not fit for purpose public services and high cost public transport. Yeah my point was more that we aren’t covering close what we need to fund public services. The salary point is equally as important i agree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 What it needs, if it's not already happening, is a triage system at the door where time wasters can be told to f**k off before they even get to main reception. This is a crisis because of covid. We need staff back at work. All of them. Unless they are actually ill.That's exactly how A&E works even now. You are seen by triage long before you get near a doctor. Fully vaccinated NHS frontline staff have been exempt from self isolation as a contact for months now so that should not be an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 minutes ago, oaksoft said: What it needs, if it's not already happening, is a triage system at the door where time wasters can be told to f**k off before they even get to main reception. This is a crisis because of covid. We need staff back at work. All of them. Unless they are actually ill. That's exactly how A&E works even now. You are seen by triage long before you get near a doctor. Are people told to f**k off home, though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 That's exactly how A&E works even now. You are seen by triage long before you get near a doctor. I've never heard of A&E telling someone to go away and make a doctors appointment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Are people told to f**k off home, though? When I was last in A&E there was definitely people being told to go home and rest or give it a few days. Could overhear plenty conversations along the lines of “ fell down the stairs 2/3 week ago and just getting it seeing too now” I was about 5 hours in total but heard plenty people being told 6-8 hours to see a doctor and that was after waiting to be seen by triage. This was the end of May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, gav-ffc said: When I was last in A&E there was definitely people being told to go home and rest or give it a few days. Could overhear plenty conversations along the lines of “ fell down the stairs 2/3 week ago and just getting it seeing too now” I was about 5 hours in total but heard plenty people being told 6-8 hours to see a doctor and that was after waiting to be seen by triage. This was the end of May. Fair enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Why is Leitch worrying about something that hasn't happened off the back of any other protest in the last 20 months? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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